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Right, so any time soon, the very same companies currently exploiting the public will somehow have a change of heart. Tech companies built on mass surveillance, emotional manipulation, and rent-seeking will all voluntarily start to give back and we'll all benefit from abundance enabled by Musk and co's physics-defying sci-fi tech. Talk about being delusional.

Ah, the classic HN "normies don't care about being screwed over by multi-trillion dollar companies as long as it involves technology that they don't understand." And then people here also complain about how the growing backlash to the tech industry is all based on "clickbait." The lack of self-awareness is staggering.

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMsUcCYNKqY&t=1765s

Isn't this fairly close to what rationalist AI cultists say? That we should pour all resources into creating an AI god above all else, because that would save the largest number of people if you also include those that aren't born yet? It hardly sounds like sarcasm.

Can't we just appreciate computer science, or any other field of study, for what it is? It's unfortunate that so many people now treat the fundamentals underpinning our whole profession as a nuisance to be left for LLMs, or resume padding.

Surely there are options other than neoliberalism and MAGA? The world would've been very different with say, Bernie Sanders as president in 2016.

> Would you prefer communism or some sort of market intervention?

Put proper regulations in place. Enforce monopoly laws. Don't let a few companies single-handedly monopolize limited resources. Imprison people who commit financial fraud. I know a certain group of people attribute everything to communism, but these are prerequisites for a functioning market, which capitalism depends on. If anything, it's crony capitalism that's much more aligned with the communist bogeyman.

> I'm sorry your MacBook was $200 more than usual.

RAM costing more isn't simply an issue of you or me having to shell out an additional $200 for a spare MacBook. Almost every aspect of modern life depends on RAM, from telecommunications and distribution of goods, to public health. Every price hike is a deadly squeeze on people living from paycheck to paycheck.

> That is not a rhetorical question by the way, I know that confuses you.

"Oh, you're confused." Sigh.

> First of all I never called you mental and second of all you are the one who brought up depression first. It seemed like you were struggling.

You seriously need to be told the second time that saying something is "depressing" isn't an admission of mental illness, nor is it an invitation for you to repeatedly tell me to "get help," a well-known ableist insult? Despite me telling you in literally every single one of my latest replies that it's unacceptable? Most people don't ever need to be told this even once, and you're embarrassing yourself. Grow up.

Ugh, here's another show that won't quite be the same.

> PoI asks these incredible questions: how do you design an AGI system that can optimize for saving lives, without it taking a strictly utilitarian view that leads inexorably to it trying to take over the world?

I don't think the show ever addressed those questions in a meaningful way? Basically there was a "good" AI, and later in the show, an "evil" one. And that was that.

The show did show us a convincing picture of the dangers of pervasive mass surveillance paired with an autonomous system that can sift through all of that data.

That may be so, but most "body language tips" circulated online are cringey and lack the rigor and nuance of proper scientific studies. I think of human reactions as more complex than what those kinds of online materials imply.

It's even worse when applied to LLMs, which are more unpredictable.

> Exactly. You made my point. Thank you!

You win! By ignoring, denying, and downplaying everything that contradicts you. This is just pathetic.

> Hyperbole strawman alarmist BS.

Then why were you so reluctant to say that much earlier on? Because even under heavy cognitive dissonance, you instinctively understood that this topic is too well documented that it makes you look out of touch. Like, tell me where I can get affordable RAM right now?

> I didn't insult your poor mental health. I just pointed out you should seek help.

It's a sign of immaturity to call people mental over and over. And saying "I didn't use those exact words" makes it all the more so. Everybody that I grew up with stopped doing that by the time they got to high school. At least stop doing that to yourself, for your own sake.

It's sad what software engineering has been reduced to for a lot of people. It's basically pickup artists compiling a list of "body languages" for LLMs, pretending as if there's science behind any of their interpretations.

Since you clearly don’t know what a rhetorical question is, I’ll help you out. Putting a question mark at the end of a sentence doesn’t make it a sincere question. If you’ve answered a question all by yourself right after “asking,” it’s without doubt a rhetorical question. Turns out Claude didn’t help you be correct here, just like when you mocked another commenter for using a totally legit English word.

Also, you think you need Claude to do ctrl-f? No wonder you have such a visceral reaction to the idea of placing limits on LLM resource usage. And that, by the way, is a rhetorical question, even though I put a question mark on it.

You appear to suffer from a cognitive dissonance so severe that you’re no longer able to comprehend the concept of time or numbers. Or even the difference between all and some.

Much of the resources being seized by these companies aren’t being used to serve live requests yet. Your claim that it’s serving current demand is a logical impossibility. It’s future demand.

And you refuse to even contemplate this at all, but what on earth justifies depriving people of resources they need to live? People being denied access to everything from RAM, electricity, natural resources, land, and money has consequences. But the only thing you’ve shown care for is the interest of LLM providers. You lash out against any criticism of their actions by calling people mental over and over.

You need a good hard look at yourself in the mirror, because that behavior is what most people would consider abhorrent. Consider this before you post the same insult again.

I already read your reply. You didn't just ask a question. You asked a rhetorical question. Very different things.

> Sorry, I don't understand what is the "hypothetical demand" you identified in my comment you replied to? ... If you think that is BS and its all hypothetical, you quite simply just don't know what you are talking about.

"You quite simply just don't know what you are talking about" is not a question. It's denial of a very real issue. It's no secret that Anthropic and co. are currently depriving others of resources based on speculative future demand. It's not current demand that's already being served. It's future demand. And they're threatening human extinction if they don't have their way. How much imaginary future demand justifies such deprivation? At that point, who is all of this even for?

Or by "question," are you referring to this:

> Just seems like you wanted to find a way to bring this back to a previous bubble and call me a scammer simply for not being anti-AI.

The exact same straw man rephrased, also not a question.

> You are just letting emotion control you

Says the person repeatedly calling people mental.

> I was calling you a literal bot for bringing up politics out of nowhere

The insane amount of resources being allocated to LLM datacenters was one of the deciding factors in the outcome of the election. People wanted change, the precise thing you accused me of being against. You invited that discussion.

Furthermore, you call me a "bot" for bringing up this point, saying it's "irrelevant." Calling that dismissal of human suffering for what it is isn't "extrapolation."

I clarified what the grift is in every single one of my replies, and you refuse to even acknowledge the issue of resource deprivation and instead made it about being pro-progress or anti-progress. Don't pretend like that's a good-faith discussion.

That won't save you in this case because that email address still identifies you. It's an anti-spam measure, not a privacy measure.

> I tried to have a real discussion with you but you wouldn't even attempt that in good faith. I asked you to clarify your points and you totally ignored me.

Why is every accusation a confession with you people? I clarified multiple times what the issue is, and every single time you've either ignored, denied, or downplayed. You pretend that the people being robbed of resources are just "resisting change," and are now even calling us "literal bots." If that's how you view people, no wonder you think it's "bad faith" to oppose the multi-trillion dollar levels of exploitation that's going on.

> Also I didn't bring up mental illness first

What I said was that unempathetic people are driving others mad. Very disingenuous of you to frame that as me inviting you to call me mentally ill. You have nothing but your own free will to blame for making that insult, and a responsible adult owns their decisions.

All of this highlights the lack of empathy even further.

> hope you're doing fine.

And you did it again. Calling people ill in a sarcastic way is your idea of a "real discussion"? No, that's petty and childish.

You really proved my point about how you people regard anything that puts LLMs in a negative light as an attack on yourselves. As long as you get to play with your shiny new toy, you're fine, or even cheer for, the fact that a handful of tech billionaires are funneling billions into our political systems, seizing and hoarding finite resources all for themselves, and doing a pump and dump on the global economy in order to do so. And the rest of the world is supposed to be thanking you for that. It's a cult.

But I agree with you on one point. Voters demanded change, and it's not in favor of the enablers who think any of the above is okay. And childish behavior like trying to call people mentally ill without getting flagged will not buy you any sympathy.

> it depends on edits to my shell config files

No, it doesn't.

What you're describing is a Gnome Terminal issue.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697475

But OSC 7 is a standard supported across virtually all widely used terminal emulators anyway, so configuring your shell to emit it is a sensible thing to do regardless.

https://ghostty.org/docs/vt/osc/7

One was about the fight to let people take back ownership and control over computing. The other is the polar opposite.

So ignore, deny, downplay it is. Reading the comments here sure is a quick way to drive sane people to depression.

See, this is the issue. Companies like Anthropic are relentlessly hyping and pressuring everyone to inject their tech everywhere, without any care for the consequences. This privacy violation isn't an isolated incident. This is the usual Silicon Valley playbook, and the reckless way and speed in which it's being pushed out now is already causing damage.

If that wasn't bad enough, they're stealing and depriving everyone of critical resources like RAM, electricity, natural resources [1], public land, and taxpayer money.

All this for what exactly? Most of this isn't based at all on current demand, but rather the idea that they can make much better use of resources in the future than the people that actually need them right now. Yet, cheerleaders at HN downplay or deny that anything bad is going on.

This is the grifting. They're selling hypothetical demand while robbing everyone else of the actual resources that we all rely on. These companies are acting like the scammers at Wall Street who caused the 2008 financial crisis, except that the scale and scope of the harm is so much worse.

Your argument is akin to the scammers cheering for themselves in the lead-up to the financial crisis. "See? We're making it possible for people to afford homes, but you ungrateful people are calling affordable housing grifting."

That's gross.

Even the Wall Street scammers didn't publicly display this level of arrogance. Because at least, the superficial benefit was affordable housing, not the joy of rich assholes being able to play with their shiny new toy.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/...

Nah, this is just how people will get screwed. Proper regulations will only be introduced if those in power care.

Please tell that to the LLM zealots. Because denial of documented facts is called pushing a narrative, not "sticking to facts."

There are numerous confirmed instances of websites asking to put personal information in the user agent string. And people here are downplaying, downvoting, or even denying that this issue exists. I am sick and tired of the relentless grifting that's overtaking the software industry.

Because a large chunk of this community sees anything that puts LLMs in a negative light as an attack on them.

No. This is an attack that any website can unleash. Or perhaps even ads, which is a popular vector for malware.

And what am I to make of this totally unrelated story?

I can't believe I have to say this, but they are not the same. Your coworker isn't deanonymizing other people's browsing by sending their email address to every site they visit without their consent.

Your example is a completely different ragebait that just serves to muddy the waters by making the easier claim that people too, are gullible. Well, even that's misleading because not all people stoop so low for a fake $150. You can hold such people accountable and contain the damage, but LLMs will make the same mistake over and over again and people will still line up on HN to say how that has always been the norm with people. The grift in the software industry is reaching new lows every day.

You're dehumanizing Claude, sir. That's against Anthropic's updated ToS!

I have, never in my career, had any of my coworkers deanonymize my browsing or leak my email address everywhere on the internet. Your copy-pasted, thought-terminating argument doesn't work here.

Freenode is the worst possible source for discussing open source issues considering the harm its new owners caused to open source communities.

But lately, the Freenode fiasco has been on the back of my mind from time to time. If the same thing happened today, a good chunk of the comments would be cheering for Freenode. Almost every single article critical of the takeover would be flagged too.