Just good enough is also a question of risk appetite. If the business decides it wants to "accept the risk" rather than take whatever measures necessary to remediate a risk, that's up to them.
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Just good enough is also a question of risk appetite. If the business decides it wants to "accept the risk" rather than take whatever measures necessary to remediate a risk, that's up to them.
A part time red teamer is just a pen tester. That's not what a red team does, and adequate threat emulation isn't someone who flies in for two weeks does somethings that you can only accomplish in two weeks, then fly out to the next company to do the same things. You actually need to dig deep and research a companies individual weaknesses and that takes time. Threat actors have that kind of time to sit and observe and probe, a part time noisy pen test isn't going to get you more than the basics.
Also a blue team has to be right all the time, the attacker only has to get things right once. That's why you constantly test your assumptions with a red team and give blue someone to "train" with and improve with that isn't an actual threat actor. You don't want the first time you fight to be in the ring, you need to spar.
A lot of pen testing consultancies brand themselves as red teams, but a lot of them are just rebranding pen testing services to the ignorant.
Most of our blue is threat and anomaly detection. They spend a lot of time in tools, sure but its usually a SIEM like Splunk or similar tools for event correlation and behavior detection like Crowdstrike. Qualys isn't going to find custom written malware using common utility as a C2 channel.
One of the best vulns I've ever remediated was one discovered by an application developer in their own authentication that was prescribed by our platform. He knew it was a problem and knew it needed to be fixed, but knew he needed us to report it before a fire got lit under the appropriate people's butts to make it get fixed.
Software developers and project leads are paid to ship product, even if its held together by glue and duct tape.
The problem is they don't have security and risk reduction in their incentives and automation, and they should, call it DevSecOps or whatever. After all, availability is one of the areas of security, but that usually falls on operations.
I came from the other side of things. I know what its like, but the fact they care more about features and not fixing vulnerabilities or designing applications to have good security is a failing on their end. Shift left, do it early, so we're not finding it right when the product is getting ready to ship when its finally in a form ready to review.
>3. Build standardized patterns.
Yeah, you can have them, but then the various project teams don't follow them or even look at them during the design. Then wonder why its being reported later. Are they kept accountable when they don't follow the prescribed patterns and it causes project delays when its called out? No. It's our fault for road blocking.
>4. Abandon the perimeter model.
Uh yeah, we talk about zero trust but its the app teams saying "its an internal application, not publicly accessible so its not a big deal if there's no encryption or credentials are stored in the clear" in their arguments to why its not an issue or they shouldn't have to fix it.
>5. Advise, don’t dictate.
I can not speak for every place, but we recommend solutions and call them "Recommendations" but if there's another better solution to reducing the risk we're not the SME's in your product, as long as it adequately remediates the issues through some sort of control, detection, or fix, it's not really for us to say how its done.
>6. Ask platform teams to integrate security.
They're not interested, they're interested in copying and pasting code from past applications with the same old/bad practices. They even bring practices into new platforms that have great solutions for managing a risk (such as credential storage) and do it the old way (keep creds in a config file that ships with the artifact).
Cybersecurity isn't special, but its the developers (not all) IME that treat it like it is and not part of their job responsibilities.
I agree deflation of value into the negatives over a long term causes its own set of issues, but after you went on a big money printing spree to deal with an economic crisis, I think something like counter deflation is possible if inflation rate is still positive.
I personally enjoyed Netflix more when it was a back catalog of older quality shows, and not a glut of baking/crafting/reality competition shows. If you're going to give me the same things I can get on network television it's not worth paying for, especially if they now have an ad tier.
I at least use Signal now, that's not bad.
In a small way, we can have the Internet of old back, the one where in order to participate in communities online, you weren't driven by algorithmic feeds setup to push ads in front of you constantly, or just generally shit posting about whatever pop culture moment.
Given its perfectly fine for teenagers (not children) to take part time work here and many of us here had to earn extra money before becoming adults or to help save up for education. I don't see the problem. My part time job bought me my own computer, that I used to start the career I'm in now. If you want me to believe they're more exploited than I was at my part time job at McDonald's of which was also of great benefit to me, you're nuts.
This article tries to make this is somehow exploitative. This would be a great part time job here, it just pays the rate there, and its normal to pay kids less than adults anyway since its assumed their living costs are mostly covered by parents (a living wage is unnecessary) and their inexperience and unreliability makes its so if you're going to pay full rate you're better off with an adult.
If the kids were doing to to make money for the latest Playstation, this would be fine here. I'm not seeing an issue going off what's in the article, if anything it seems like a huge boon considering what other jobs are likely available to teenage workers.
>“It’s digital slavery,” says Hassan.
It's only slavery if you're not allowed to leave, if its a bad deal, the wages aren't worth your time and effort, then don't do it. Go work in a blacksmith shop or something else they do in Pakistan that's somehow accepted but far more hazardous.
The whole article is framed in a completely champagne social justice lense and not what's practical or what works or is to a mutual benefit for both parties. If demand for those jobs has gone up and this depresses wages, that's how it works here.
I always laugh at the people insist it's best to let their kids be guinea pigs while public school systems which aren't even utilized but it's most vocal advocates for their own children are on a multi decade track of "figuring it out".
The most likely place someone is to experience violence in their lifetime is in a school, sexual abuse and assault rates are higher than in the Catholic Church or BSA by population. You can't be mad at people for opting out while the rest of the advocates figure it out for the 5th decade of objective decline and empty promises when problems they've experienced when they were in school haven't even been addressed or have gotten worse. They may be voting for the right people and are active advocates for better education but their kids are in immediate need of a better education.
People have this naive notion that the solution is there and just no one has tried it. For every success story there's 9 other failures or worse unintended consequences and the waste of resources that come with it.
The only thing that seems to "work" is temporary housing for those in a drug treatment program, but even that has its high degree of failures or relapses, but at least then its not giving housing to those who aren't frankly interested in getting out of their current situation. Think about it, they've chosen the addiction, even if the consequences were job loss, addiction, etc. In other cases, its a mental illness, often exacerbated by addiction.
There are people who are "homeless" because of reasons outside their control and these programs work for them, but the majority of the homeless problem is not the people who are victim of circumstances and abuse. I support these programs because they save the 1 in 10 or whatever, until it becomes a draw for those that aren't looking for help to get out of the situation they're in and they conglomerate or stick around when bussed in.
The bussing is annoying cause my city often ends up with them, and it overwhelms the resources we have to deal with it for a city our size, but we do the same in turn.