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That said I think that AI is changing things as it becomes best practice to document and define everything in plain text for LLM consumption. Since the default text format is markdown (due to github and PKM tool support) more and more people are exposed to it as the one true markup language. So maybe the boat has sailed and org becomes another example of the better format that doesn't win out. OTOH LLMs slurp up org content just as easily as they do markdown, maybe more so given the richer syntax. So maybe there's still room for both?
Either way I think the losers are going to be Sharepoint, Confluence, Jira etc, maybe even wikis, ie all the non standard ways people have been documenting their work to date.
Like us org folks have been saying all along, just stick with plain text!
[0] https://braintool.org/2022/04/29/Tools4Thought-should-use-Or...
Waterfall anyone?!
Note also that LogSeq is an org-mode based PKM (https://discuss.logseq.com/t/logseq-org-mode-compatability/8...)
BrainTool is a browser extension for managing tabs and bookmarks. It saves your data in an org file. One feature is to allow an item to be marked as a TODO. For me personally I then integrate my BrainTool.org file into my overall org workflow and see that TODO in my org-agenda. But ideally a naive BrainTool user would be able to see that task in a tool like Todoist or whatever.
For a while there it seemed like there was some momentum!
FWIW I use orgajs (https://github.com/orgapp/orgajs). Its well-supported and gives me a pretty complete AST. Highly recommend if you're working in JS.
The same month this article was written (4/22) I tried to make the case for org as an interchange format for productivity tools [1] and pointed to most of the same tools supporting org. (Disclosure, my browser extension, BrainTool[2] is listed in the article). I still love the idea of a local-first, plain text model for sharing personal data across productivity apps, but three years on its not clear to me that the momentum has been maintained. Are folks still building new things on top of org?
[1] https://braintool.org/2022/04/29/Tools4Thought-should-use-Or...
[2] https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/braintool-go-beyond...
Also, since you don't mention it, list on the Edge Add-ons store. My user count over there is ~40% of the Chrome store number.
https://braintool.org/2021/01/14/First-Two-Thousand-BrainToo...
[1] https://extensionpay.com/ [2] https://extensions.dev/extensions/invertase/firestore-stripe...
With my app, BrainTool ( https://braintool.org ), I emphasize a visual hierarchy, but also allow notes and full text incremental searching across all saved content. Along with comprehensive keyboard commands, this enables a workflow where you can start typing what you are looking for, iterate through matches and then hit enter when you find it to open in a new tab, tabgroup or window.
Cheers,
Its interesting to me that the recent uptick in the personal knowledge management space (aka tools for thought)[0] is all around the bi-directional graph which is basically a 2-tuple simplified version of the RDF 3-tuple. You lose the semantics of a labelled edge, but its easier for people to understand.
[0] See Roam Research, Obsidian, LogSeq, Dendron et al.
Support your local tool maker building on text!
My thoughts: https://braintool.org/2022/04/29/Tools4Thought-should-use-Or...
Every open tab is a pending to-do, if only to come back and close or bookmark it. Having hundreds of open todo's in your face the whole time takes a mental toll. For most people closing tabs will free up some mental space as well as swap space.
The problem is that it's still too hard to save and organize things as you go without the right tooling. My approach FWIW:
https://braintool.org/2022/01/28/Browser-based-Productivity-...
[3] https://help.obsidian.md/Obsidian/Obsidian#How+we're+differe...
[5] https://braintool.org/2022/04/29/Tools4Thought-should-use-Or...
Thus far my time is better spent elsewhere but the code is open source and a couple of people have expressed interest in trying a port. (https://github.com/tconfrey/BrainTool)
BTW I believe TabsOutliner is completely abandoned at this point. I've reached out to the developer several times, most recently here: https://groups.google.com/g/tabs-outliner-support-group/c/-1... asking about collaboration or open sourcing - crickets. As I noted in that message the extension will completely stop working in Jan '23 based on Googles forced migration to Manifest V3.
Keep tabs (haha) on BrainTool and see if it evolves in the right direction for you.
BrainTool is a private- and local-first Chromium (no FF RN) extension that makes it easy to save tabs into a nested 'topic' hierarchy along with a note, and then use those topics to control the browser, opening and closing tabs as a group.
Plain text file (org mode) data storage, full keyboard support with search, TODO's and more. I just added local file syncing and some UX upgrades.
Thoughts?
Chrome Web store link: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/braintool-beyond-b...
[1] https://braintool.org [2] https://github.com/tconfrey/BrainTool
Check out https://tea.xyz where Max Howell (creator of brew) is applying the model to open source software.