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I believe WeWork opened a great discussion and I personally applaud them for taking a stand. I also applauded Starbucks with straws like most others here.

Also, I find that it's pretty easy to actually save money on vegan food. Maybe it takes a little planning, but it's not that difficult to walk away with more money eating vegan while feeling better.

It's funny to observe the criticism on a technical forum that should be in tune with the data. WeWork is setting a policy that is on the right side of history—for animals and the environment. I didn't see a lot of criticism on Starbucks straw decision. However, when the cost is a sacrifice closer to home, even when logic doesn't support the whining, so many try to find fault with a company decision that is net positive.

Exactly my feelings. Until devs and support staff stop contributing to the harm, I'll continue to fight their policies. For me, real social is happening on E2EE messaging with Wickr and Signal.

Why is it incorrect?

Why is it artificial?

Very curious about your reasoning?

What is the name of your business or employee, @downandout? I wish to avoid it.

No, most aware people do not agree with your anti-privacy view.

Not just ads — highly targeted ads based on pervasive tracking.

It didn't have to be this way but most of tech jumped onto this bandwagon—or maybe the data brokers and ad tech types magnified their snake oil benefits just enough to fuel this beast.

The issue is so much larger than Facebook. It's good to see it get attention though.

No, that's the window dressing and free samples to attract my attention and eyeballs. Many didn't really understand that their digital pockets were being picked as they walked around Facebook's store—and even after leaving the store.

Sure Facebook could charge me to come into their store, but does anyone really believe they will stop pickpocketing my digital wallet?

They might eliminate ads at first, before one day allowing a few select ads from select partners to appear again. They will still be collecting data to monetize another way.

Just another reason to avoid Facebook products : Facebook, Messenger, Instagram, WhatsApp ...

I think E2E encrypted messaging is the only social solution that makes sense in today's ad tech pervasive tracking world.

Average users see years of Facebook not caring enough about privacy, with a CEO and COO making anti-privacy statements.

Things have changed? What about that Real Name Policy?

Anonymized data? The world of data brokers might disagree.

The shady world of farmers and affiliate marketers rely on the ease of Facebook data mining.

Tin hats? Facebook has relied too long on users not understanding what happens with their data behind the scenes.

Personally identifiable or not (trivial matters) the fact that Facebook and its devs fail to see the harm that this platform is causing from its gluttony of user data is mind boggling.

I'd upvote this ethical response to the top if I could.

> 1. PUBLIC - Software engineers shall act consistently with the public interest.

> 1.01. Accept full responsibility for their own work.

"really efficient"="ubiquitous tracking"

not too hard to understand the creep factor for most people.

I can't understand that line of thought. Devs and management really like to look like they are not complicit in something that has gone terribly wrong.

Yes, 3rd party devs are responsible and yes Facebook is too. Facebook's business model and algos feed the ad tech machine. Saying that FB is just a scapegoat is some kind of twisted tomfoolery.

And this is what's wrong with today's dev—not able to see what's plainly wrong, putting the blame on others.

Exactly what I was thinking. This is supposed to make me want to use FaceID? To me, it highlights the bad side of FaceID.

The iMessage bug though just made me laugh.

QA, software development and UX is at an all time low for modern Apple. I've been an Apple product user for a long time while watching this decline. Yes bugs have always existed, but not as ubiquitously as now.

I follow @newssyc20 and @newssyc300 Twitter bots (there's also 50, 100, 150).

They deliver the HN headlines that reach those many points to my Twitter TL.

[update] Then, if I click through to the HN post from the tweet, I read the first few comments at the top and then the bottom most comments. Finally, if I'm still interested, I'll read the actual article.

Wow, just earlier today I tweeted:

> @tim_cook, What is Apple doing about the increasing bugs across Apple's software?

I still remember pulling hair out because of Microsoft's bugs and just being able to get stuff done on Apple's software. I used to joke that PCs forced people to become experts because of bugs, whereas it was just fun to get stuff done on Apple products.

Today's Apple UX on iOS is just broken in so many places—friction everywhere. On a daily basis I encounter bugs.

What happened?

I stopped reading after so many I's in just the beginning. It's an all about "me" piece.

iOS can't even get text selection for copy/paste to work right!

Reported this several times from multiple devices to Apple from normsl support up to Tim Cook.

Apple is synonymous with Bugs.

sounds like this plot: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21535767-the-great-zoo-o...

Are they dragon eggs.

My mirrored Ray Bans foiled FaceID ever time. It adds friction for Apple Pay too. TouchID personally worked much better for me.

It doesn't really matter what a former PM focused on ad tech says, because true or not, the average user will not believe FB anyways. FB won't be trusted because of it's anti-privacy history and experiments. That FB gets so much data from other sources just increases the impression that FB is not to be trusted. The first argument made in the article is disingenious and only acts to discredit FB even more. It's not just a FB problem, it's an ad tech driven business model problem. However, Facebook keeps on a path that makes it the perfect poster of a company not to be trusted. Listening or not, FB is not trustable.

Yep. I use Panic's Coda on Mac and iOS platforms.

Coda is a text editor.

I'm ready to walk away from all algorithmically sorted feeds.

I'm tired of the ad tech kool aid that causes PMs + execs to consistently put UX and users in last place.

Twitter + Feedly works great for me.

> Ad companies aren't interested in deanonymizing people anyway.

Seems to me that there is a huge monetary aspect to matching online activity with real identity.

"deanonymizing" is trivial but ad tech is poison to any level of "privacy", filter bubbles and fake news propagation.

Actually I've found Twitter to be the best news aggregator and breaking news platform of all. 140 char tweets make it easy to compare tweets with other sources very quickly. The algorithmic TLs though contribute more to fake news as well as users who haven't quite learned how to curate their own feeds. What's happened to critical thinking skills? Oh well, Twitter works well for me.

I think the point is that we will give our data and maybe trust to other companies. I don't care if Google is hurt or not. Another company that is more privacy-centric and not creepily tracking everything (anonymized or not) will benefit though.

Just append !sp to your search query within DDG and you'll get Googly results without having to send data to Google when the latter happens.