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1) low latency desired, long user prompt 2) function runs many parallel requests, but is not fired with common prefix very often. OpenAI was very inconsistent about properly caching the prefix for use across all requests, but with Anthropic it’s very easy to pre-fire
Indeed in seems in most language model RL there is not even process supervision, so a long way from NTP
Strategy matters a lot and good strategy is worth at least a few positions in a race.
Insta was a huge hit for sure but since then Meta Capital allocation has been a disaster including a lot of badly timed buybacks
In fact it’s a great illustration of why the hype around agents is misplaced!
Finally, saying that agents can have predictable behavior is wrong (except on simple tasks where you shouldn’t be using an agent anyway). Agents loop and compound their input, making them highly non-deterministic even for the same prompt.
In the long run the definition used by OpenAI, Anthropic et al will win out so can we just all switch to that?
They claim that a small Chinese hedge fund could acquire $1bln in GPUs, with no state support, including many sanctioned chips, then trained a model optimized for a far smaller server compute size, and that they have a source at this very small fund who is willing to admit to export violations. A 40bln param active model is exactly the size you would expect from a server of the size they claim.
What’s more likely - that semianalysis made it up like they have a bunch of other things, or that all the above is true?
Deep Seek R1 is literally an open weight model. It has <40bln active parameters. We know that for a fact. That size of model is definitely roughly optimally trained over the time period and server times claimed. In fact, the 70bln parameter Llama 3 model used almost exactly the same compute as the DeepSeek V3/R1 claims (which makes sense, as you would expect a bit less efficiency for the H800 and for the complex DeepSeek MoE architecture).
2) the theoretical arguments of DPO equivalence make some assumptions that don’t necessarily apply in practice
3) RLHF gives you a reusable reward model, which has practical uses and advantages. DPO doesn’t have useful intermediate product.
4) DPO works off preference, whereas desirable RL objectives could have many forms
in practice big labs are testing all these methods to see what works best.
Not everything from the past is good. We don’t still run coal power plants in London just to get that historic smog.
They were already planning to move both markets way out of central London (to a place no-one but a local would ever go) this is just changing it to not providing a new site.
What an insane comparison.
Google does offer an AI summary for factual searches and I ignore it as it often hallucinates. Perplexity has the same problem. OpenAI would need to solve that for this to be truly useful
OpenAI’s potential issue is that if Google offers tokens at a 10% gross margin, OpenAI won’t be able to offer api tokens at a positive gross margin at all. Their only chance really is building a big subscription business. No way they can compete with a hyperscaler on api cost long run
We use Gemini flash in prod. The latency and cost is just unbeatable - our product uses llms for lots of simple tasks so we don’t need a frontier model.
Most of their revenue is the subscription stuff, which makes it highly likely they lose money per token on the api (not surprising as they are are in price war with Google et al)
If you have an enterprise ChatGPT sub you have to consume around 5mln tokens a month to match the cost of using the api on GPT4o. At 100 words per minute that’s 35 days on continuous typing which shows how ridiculous the costs of api vs subscription are.