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throwaway1150··on Hillary Clinton Is Wrong About Edward Snowden
>You have not yet clarified regarding "sharing classified information with Chinese or Russians", either.

You keep drawing some distinction without a difference between "the leaks" and Snowden "directly handing over" the documents; either way, he is the author of their release and ultimately responsible for the consequences, and Americans are right to be angry with him for it.

> That said, though I am not of U.S. nationality neither by jus soli nor jus sanguinis, I do reside in the United States at present. Stay classy with your throwaway account.

You're a guest in this country; perhaps you could try acting like one?

throwaway1150··on Hillary Clinton Is Wrong About Edward Snowden
> I'm not an American.

Well, then it's little wonder that the prospect of him sharing classified information with the Chinese or Russians doesn't bother you all that much. However, I never would have guessed you to be non-American from your posts in this thread, particularly the one quoted below where you forcefully instruct us as to how and if (at all) we should punish those who violate our laws, and where the last sentence begins with the pronoun "we," which I foolishly took to refer to the citizens of the United States but apparently instead referred to some larger collective (perhaps the citizens of the world?):

>That's exactly how it works. The law does not exist in isolation as an axiomatic rule. The intent and circumstances of an action are all taken into account. Legalism is tyranny, plain and simple.

>Also, you are allowed to say "Yeah, he broke the law, but we don't give a fuck." It's called jury nullification.

>As soon as you excuse the law because it doesn't "feel" right, you walk a shaky path to anarchy.

>The United States hasn't been walking to the path of anarchy, but quite the opposite. We actually need more anarchy.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10404739

throwaway1150··on Hillary Clinton Is Wrong About Edward Snowden
>the operation involves a clear cut act of economic warfare

What act of "economic warfare" are you referring to? Huawei's much-publicized theft of source code from CISCO? Unless you have actual evidence of the NSA passing on the intelligence it gathered to domestic firms, you have little basis for characterizing their efforts to ascertain the extent of Huawei's relationship with the Chinese government and PLA as "economic warfare."

If anyone but Snowden leaked this sort of information to the Chinese or Russians, there would be little debate about whether or not they deserved some sort of punishment for it.

Snowden's American supporters come across as shrill or even perfidious for excusing this conduct.

throwaway1150··on Hillary Clinton Is Wrong About Edward Snowden
>The agency pried its way into the servers in Huawei’s sealed headquarters in Shenzhen, China’s industrial heart, according to N.S.A. documents provided by the former contractor Edward J. Snowden
throwaway1150··on Hillary Clinton Is Wrong About Edward Snowden
>The exchange began with host Anderson Cooper asking Lincoln Chafee, a former governor of Rhode Island, “Governor Chafee: Edward Snowden, is he a traitor or a hero?”

The answer really should be "both." Snowden supporters readily tout his commendable whistle-blowing of unlawful domestic intelligence gathering while at the same time ignoring, denying, or outright excusing stuff like this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/nsa-breached-ch...

Snowden fled first to China and then afterwards to Russia with as much as a terabyte of classified information, at least some of which--specifically information concerning intelligence operations the NSA conducted against Huawei--we know for a fact he shared with them.

Even William Binney, another NSA whistle-blower (who, by contrast, did not seek asylum in two separate major geopolitical adversaries of the US), criticized Snowden's subsequent leaks:

>But now he is starting to talk about things like the government hacking into China and all this kind of thing. He is going a little bit too far. I don't think he had access to that program. But somebody talked to him about it, and so he said, from what I have read, anyway, he said that somebody, a reliable source, told him that the U.S. government is hacking into all these countries. But that's not a public service, and now he is going a little beyond public service.

>So he is transitioning from whistle-blower to a traitor.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowd...

While Binney has since referred to Snowden as a "patriot," he has yet to publicly disavow his past criticisms of Snowden:

http://www.businessinsider.com/william-binney-and-edward-sno...