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They have hundreds of thousands of sex workers uploading and making ad revenue, and selling content, which they now won't be able to. They also announced a few days ago that uploads would only be for people in their model program and partners, so this is a huge blow to those sex workers.

No, I wonder why Mastercard does process charges on those platforms and what it means especially for Twitter and Reddit that allow UGC adult content.

Here's an anecdote from Carrie Goldberg about how Pornhub compares to FB and Instagram:

I'm a victims rights lawyer. For every 1 case involving a rape tape on Pornhub, I have 50 involving rape and CSAM being disseminated on Insta and FB. Pornhub is far from perfect. But mainstream big tech is far worse and have a built-in mechanism for harassing victims directly. https://twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1337026875441491973...

They were using photoDNA and Youtube CSAI Match before the article. This is the same as what Reddit uses. I see it mentioned here back in March https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN21D3E9

This article explains the originals of the NYT opinion article and the anti-sex work campaigns behind it: https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war... Millions of VERY illegal child abuse are uploaded to Facebook, Twitter and all UGC platforms. In the NYT article, the journalist dismisses the (non religious) Internet Watch Foundations number of 118 cases of CSAM on Pornhub over 3 years. He asks IWF why the number is so low and says they couldn't explain it. Maybe because it is.

They do as much as any UGC platform (auto scanning with photoDNA, reviewing, flags etc) and just committed to doing even more like forcing users to give ID to upload https://help.pornhub.com/hc/en-us/categories/360002934613 This was a long campaign by anti-sex work campaigners.

Here's an anecdote from Carrie Goldberg about how Pornhub compares to FB and Instagram:

I'm a victims rights lawyer. For every 1 case involving a rape tape on Pornhub, I have 50 involving rape and CSAM being disseminated on Insta and FB. Pornhub is far from perfect. But mainstream big tech is far worse and have a built-in mechanism for harassing victims directly. https://twitter.com/cagoldberglaw/status/1337026875441491973

This is a huge victory for the religious anti-sex work movement. Some backstory to how this happened: https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war...

I suspect Mastercard will pull processing on many adult platforms now. I wonder what this means for Twitter and Reddit that allow UGC adult content.

The author of the op-ed mentions the Internet Watch Foundations's stat of 118 csam cases over 3 years on PornHub, and then says he asked them why it's so low dimisses their objective stats and says they couldn't explain. Maybe it's because it IS low?

The times did an actual investigation into the csam on Facebook and other big teach and it's a massive problem. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-...

No Visa and Mastercard weren't forced in a moral panic to investigate.

That op-ed is anti-porn though. The only source is Exodus Cry, an evangelical group trying to shut down the entire sex industry.

The author briefly mentions the Internet Watch Foundation's objective stats and then dismisses it when they say they don't know why it's so low compared to Facebook and Twitter. Maybe because it just is?

Why are Mastercard and Visa not "investigating" Facebook and other sites for allow child abuse uploads in the millions?

I think we need to invest more in investigating the criminals making and uploading the content. Millions and millions of child abuse material are reported to NCMEC but less than 2% are investigated. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-...

Not sure if it's a dig against section 230, or just the sex industry. The journalist of this op-ed was instrumental in creating the moral panic to push through the SESTA legislation a few years ago. This legislation turned out to do nothing for victims and only damaged the safety of sex workers.

He also sources and mentions a petition from an evangelical group trying to shut down the sex industry. https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-exodus-cry-the-shady-ev...