tylershuster

I don't like Canvas, and I don't use it, but I don't feel like it's being pushed on developers in the same way that Gutenberg was.

Depends on your project. Do you have a large content team managing a large amount of content? That's Drupal's strength and I don't think there's anything better for it.

Other than that, familiarity is really the best selling point.

They haven't abandoned the core presentation system entirely. I mean, maybe Dries has, but he's not quite the tyrant that Matt is (was?). I agree that it's confusing, and I don't like Canvas, but I also don't use it.

I came into Drupal right as 8 was becoming the standard, and facilitated a number of Drupal 7 migrations, so I don't have the experience of getting burned by churn, but I will say that coming from WordPress, Drupal was a huge breath of fresh air. Better code, better community, better architecture etc.

The Drupal core team is moving really fast to improve its reputation, and I think a lot of the changes are good. The AI integration is pretty solid, and the Symfony framework is solid and easy to build on. I think the move to Canvas is misguided and from inside the community I can tell you that not everyone is on board, but it is nice that both paths are possible.

As many here have said: If you have large teams that manage large amounts of content, Drupal is really the only option. If you're making one-off sites or "brochure sites," then vibe-coding them is just as good as anything, but I don't think that's ever been Drupal's core concern.

Sierra Pacific, for instance, has a window company.

I'm building an addition to my house and I use AI to visualize parts of it, which helps me plan efficiently, and I use it to answer questions about skills that I only have a little bit of experience in. I'm saving a ton of money and developing skills, so I count that as benefiting "the average Joe." I admit that I'm a programmer, but I'm using this as an example because it's helping me in an area in which I have little expertise, which applies to everyone.

Exactly. Using them to actually “generate content” is a sure fire way to turn your brain into garbage, along with whatever you “produce” - but they do seem to have fulfilled Google’s dream of making the Star Trek computer reality.

Most all words have more than one sound. There are big sounds and small sounds though. The big parts - "word sounds" — that we don't want, the word "sounds" has just one. It needs no break. You might say that the word "school" has two but that word has just one as well.

We can experimentally verify spirits by communicating with them. Many such cases.

Now, do you mean measure them using our physical devices that we currently have? No, we can't do that. They are "minds beyond ours" as OP suggests, just not in the way that OP assumes.

Djinn: Demons. Santa Claus: Saint (i.e. soul of a righteous human). Demons: Demons. Fairies (real, not fairy-tale): Demons. Most spirits that you're going to run across as presenting themselves involuntarily to people are demons because demons are the ones who cause mischief. Angels don't draw attention to themselves.

Then we disagree about the basic assumption. I do think that people throughout history have attributed many different things to the influence of spiritual entities. I’m just saying that It just was not a catch-all for unexplained circumstances. They may seem contradictory and vague to someone who denies the existence of spirits, but if you have the proper understanding of spirits as vast cosmic entities with minds far outside ours, that aren’t bound to the same physical and temporal rules as us, then people’s experiences make a lot of sense.

The "people in times before the enlightenment just attributed everything to spirits because they didn't understand things" argument is tired and boring. Just because you're not convinced doesn't mean that it's not true, modern man.

There are larger minds than ours, and they've been well-attested for millennia as celestial entities, i.e. spirits. Approaching it purely within the realm of the kinds of minds that we can observe empirically is self-limiting.

I'm conflicted about this. I want to dislike it, but frankly I don't appreciate the actual musicianship in music the majority of the time. If I'm listening to something that has broad and long-lasting culture impact like Bach, or Britney Spears, it really matters more about how it's been received than the actual quality of the music.

Or, if I'm listening to music just for the vibe, I really don't care how it's created, as long as it doesn't offend me auditorially. I'm really not listening actively. So I suppose that's a bit of an indictment of myself, but I don't think it's a serious character flaw in myself. I should probably just try to pay more attention to the people around me at all times.

I have a lot of fun putting my own poetry in here and mashing it up with the styles that I enjoy listening to, or that I think would work well with the poem. Again, I don't want to like it, but I do.

This is the concept of Theosis, still very active in the Orthodox Church. Salvation is not just having your problems ignored — it's actually becoming "gods by grace"

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I worked in exclusively WordPress for many years. "Flexibility" doesn't mean jack if it doesn't adhere to modern development practices itself. "Many options," yes but the core is just cobbled together by amateurs. It has nothing to do with modern PHP development practices; it's basically just a collection of functions. It doesn't use composer; most of the development stacks I've seen are tricks to basically gut its dependency management and rewrite it themselves.

As for a "rich ecosystem" and "40%+ global market share" — popularity has nothing to do with quality.

That's a fair argument. Maybe I'm just biased because I started with Drupal 8.

I don't understand how (if?) WordPress has popularity among serious professionals. Extending it without plugins, many of which are paid, is a nightmare. Adding custom fields is laborious, configuring post type display modes is a slog as well.

HN seems to grumble about Drupal but even if your only requirement is a PHP server with a MySQL database connect, Drupal (8+) is just as simple to set up as WordPress and infinitely easier to configure. Older versions may have been less user-friendly but really, just click "Content->Add New->Page" and you're already running at the speed of WordPress.

Must be "had" — I've used it since D8 first came out and while there's weirdness, it's never been anything beyond what WordPress threw at me.

In terms of setup, it's just like — enter database credentials and start making pages. There's plenty of themes out here and HN users aren't stupid — everyone knows how to compile their own CSS and use composer if they want to.

Drupal should be the obvious choice here. Still PHP-based, still fieldable entities, and a much saner data structure with infinite extensibility. It gets weird hate on HN so I expect that kind of pushback but hey, it's put food on my family's table for more than 6 years and powers some huge and popular sites so I'm not concerned.

It's hard to upgrade from Drupal 7 to Drupal 8, but it's really not hard to deploy anew. The "Drupal CMS" initiative is trying hard to lower the already low barrier to entry.

I don't understand the "Drupal is hard" mentality on HN. Drupal is just as simple as WordPress to deploy. Unzip, plug in database credentials and go. It's better with composer, but there's some real prejudice against it. Drupal 7 is admittedly too complicated but the new Symfony-based Drupal is fun to develop. I used to use WordPress and after the first few months of Drupal I realized how much better it was at, like, everything, than WordPress is. It's been buttering my bread for 6 years now and I think it's better every release.

It borrows some of its marketing directly from Urbit, which HN famously has a bias against.

Restraint is not part of the free-market calculus. Sure, people like to tout "sustainability" but only as a means of selling yet more products. It's not profitable to fast. Well, it's not materially profitable. Until the well dries up.

I've also used VexFlow to good effect producing web-friendly music notation. Given I've had to invent my own syntax for producing pieces with any rapidity, but it seems less complicated than this.

It's our camping coffee maker, and it's perfect for that. Tried to use it otherwise and you're right, there are much better devices these days.

Just view source. Alternately: setInterval(function () {document.getElementById('generate').click();}, 50);