whalliburton

You know, I sit around here and occasionally run into classic Michael Church writing, which I feel like I dig pretty well. But the clearly provable missteps into blatant lies, such as this failed startup comment, just need to stop. Your honesty and your truth, Michael, are more important than your thoughts. Please stick with that.

Javascript is a perfectly reasonable underlying language. Nothing that I know of stops people from compiling python or ruby into javascript.

I would never write pure javascript, but using languages that compile to javascript has been pure joy.

See http://common-lisp.net/project/parenscript/

I'm killing it with lisp for web at the moment. A personal fork of weblocks that allows for some fast and slick application development. Widgets all the way down. Launching real soon now.

Nice. Any chance for an API?

I have 12 virtual screens attached to the function keys and run every application full screen in one of these screens. I never need to cycle through anything but just jump directly to whatever I need.

I am working on a startup that will be able to do what you are asking. Feel free to mail me if you want to discuss this topic. my yc name @ gmail.

Microwave it.

Weblocks

http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-weblocks/

Also worth a look:

http://www.smallisbeautiful.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._F._Schumacher

I'm with you. Much easier to just take it with you. Less distraction all around.

Now, asking other people to watch it can be one more nice human interaction for the day if you feel the need.

live demo?

TRACE and BREAK.

A good attack on the "release early and often" process.

Hmm. No. That's called a "revolution".

Maybe your right, but I just saw a greyed out post (my own) that seemed like the only good counter (again, maybe only because it's my own viewpoint). The rest of the discussion did not seem like MEAT, thus this post.

This observation was in regards to the http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=297080

Regardless of whether I am right, I am basically the only countering argument and reduced to a grayed out presence.

I do not care emotionally a bit whether I am read, this is an intellectual observation regarding YC's downvoting of anti-mainstream thought while promoting much of the same.

I cannot squat nearly as much nor bench nearly as much, but if that is you metric of health I will point you to several power lifters that died an early death.

The strength I am referring is the strength of the "climb a mountain" type or the "move from point A to point B in the most economical way" kind or the "take on an adversary much stronger than myself" kind.

On the speed side, for example, weightlifting, as it is popularly promoted, slows down the body. The biceps and the triceps work against each other and unless you can properly relax the countering muscle your intentions will be dampened. Weightlifting generally promotes tension in all muscles, thus a general slowing down.

But there are still "better ways". I was not discounting the ability of weightlifting to strengthen bones, tendons, and ligaments, but to point out that other ways may be more beneficial and healthier and have less negative effects.

Weightlifting of almost all forms generally promotes overall tension in the body, which, in my opinion, is not a good thing.

Out of all the elements I mentioned, muscles are the weakest, which you don't counter except to acknowledge. So not a bullshit thought.

You only need the muscles to position the body. Structure and grounding toward the earth is the source of strength, not actual muscle exertion. If you can properly use your body you will not need the muscles for more than position, not resistance.

Real speed and strength comes from complete relaxation and not tension, which weight lifting only promotes.

The problem, in my eyes, of current weightlifters, is that they believe that they are healthy because they can lift certain weights under certain conditions. Move to a different context and that "strength" does no good and generally is a detriment both to coordination and to speed.

Let me add that this is from a martial artist perspective. Of course muscles are needed to do work like climb a mountain or such, but your are better at growth trying to climb that mountain than some form of gym weightlifting activity.

I am of the opinion that lifting weights is just damage and not really useful in comparison to many other activities.

I was a college football player and could put 375lb above my head, squat over 500lb and bench press 225lb over 30 times.

That said. That is not health, but damage.

Unless you can move your own body weight efficiently what is the point in lifting metal.

Try Tai Chi or some form of movement that works on integrating the control of the entire body. Almost all weightlifting is isolating muscles and detaching the control of the muscles from each other.

Muscles are also one of the weakest parts of the body structurally so strengthening them does little for the overall strength of the body, which is only what most weight lifting succeeds in doing . There are better ways to strengthen the joints and bones and tendons and ligaments.

Dude. Lets give them a little break already!

git clone git://github.com/280north/cappuccino.git

Hmm. So you would take the opinion of a car mechanic that has never driven a car?

His 'necessary research' was a period of traveling, observing, and critically attempting to understand these issues, not some 'Education Reform 101: Introduction to Critical Thought' lecture course.

If you had read the article in question you would see that there is much more depth and analysis and yes ideas for a possible change than your caricature.

As for your "kids in Africa", Illich talks much in this article about the young in Latin America and the damaging effects of compulsory education on those children. Please read.

But in case your too busy, I'll try and summarize:

You take your "kids in Africa", whom probably, as you state, all would "love" to attend American schools and believe the American dream.

Let's not forget that many of them would probably love to eat at MacDonalds every meal too, but that not necessarily the best thing either.

Now, what happens to the those kids that cannot pass 12 years of compulsory education (he only uses 4 in the Latin case, but your talking USA) and are now inside a system that requires passing those 12 years. They are now seen as failures and most will internalize that branding. Not nice.

The point I'm trying to make, is, yea, call many of the comments "not insightful", but unless you read the article in question, your only displaying flippant ignorance to call it out for lacking insight.

Yes, but you work with what you have, and we have many a broken segmented community. This is just making the bulletin board virtual and helping out with the legwork.

Yes! Learning webs. Webs of all types.

I envision "the next big thing" as connecting needs with wants outside of the current economic and social structures, down to the smallest scale.

Teacher learns as much as the student.

Sue likes teaching cooking. Sally wants to learn and will bring food.

Grandma Bessy needs someone to help move a few things around the apartment and can pay $1. Joe is downstairs chilling on a stoop, could use a buck and likes helping people.

Will likes teaching programming and gets the bug for a little community hacking session. Scott and Joe and Sue and Larisa are dying to have a little mentoring and work on real cool problems, even if for a night.

Corner farmers market is nearing close and half the produce is about to be discarded. Community center has a nice kitchen and who wants fresh vegetable soup?

Connections and options that would never have occurred otherwise.

Throw in a recommendation engine and reviews of the participants.

Outsourcing on the micro scale.

Temporary autonomous zones.

"Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby "schooled" to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is "schooled" to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavor are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question."

Anyone who cares about this subject should read Ivan Illich's "Deschooling Society".

http://ournature.org/~novembre/illich/1970_deschooling.html

He was ahead of his time and died in 2002, but his time is now. His ideas on "Learning Webs" and "Conviviality" are a goldmine for any startup not wanting to get rich but to actually help the world.

This is not my experience. Moving from FF2 to FF3 I saw noticeable improvements in the application responsiveness, especially in moving DOM objects around the window (ala draggable dialog boxes full of objects), mouse event handling, and in generation of new DOM children. While at the same time FF3 was using less memory.