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I love how everyone here thinks they are above bias. It's precious. I'm just honest about mine.

I didn't say that they were left wing terrorist, but I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that you were referring to their support of left wing political parties.

Again, I assumed that you are a conservative or libertarian. I apologise. I'm sorry that I just assumed you were a right winger.

ETA was a terrorist group, but they publicly announced an end to violence in 2011. They began the process of deescalation after 9/11.

It should also be mentioned that the UN had said that the Spanish occupation of the Basque region violated human rights.

You're an investor, it says so in your profile. Most of your comments have a fairly standard pro-markets anti-regulation view point. I was extrapolating that to be conservative but you could also be a liberal pro-markets type. So, my bad.

After doing some cursory googling, it looks like you were probably referring to the ETA. I would like to hear more about the terrorism and corruption, if you feel like going into it.

I have to admit, though, as an investor you and I see the world very very differently. If you don't mind me disagreeing with you I will try not to make any more assumptions.

Terrorism? Edit: looking at your comment history I'm going to go with them supporting other left wing groups as your "terrorism"?

I'm really interested in the Core guidelines. They are only a few years old, however. It will be super interesting to see some case studies of large codebase adoption in the next few years. The lifetime profile is the one that I 'm most interested in seeing some real studies on. Some of the changes seem pretty simple (of course, I don't have to make them in any codebases) so it makes me wonder if they are expressive enough to solve a large chunk of the use after free problems.

Right, but the loss of revenue from conference attendees is something that can be used as leverage against the politicians.

The same thing was done in the US to push back on anti-lgbt laws. It has had some successes. It's not perfect but it has its purposes.

That's not a reasonable response.

Even if Gdansk is liberally run it sends a signal to legislators that policies effect revenue and gives them a reason to push back that avoids moral arguments. That being said, I think it cedes the moral argument to the opposition, but any fight like this has multiple fronts.

The reasoning is very different from what you wrote. Surely, you see the difference.

Wow! Thanks for replying. That's a really good point. I'm looking forward to trying it. Cheers.

It was internet BS, not rust BS. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Cheers.

The read through of docs in their repo is interesting. They mention Pony several times as an inspiration because of it's type system's concurrency primitives. Rust and Cyclone are also mentioned. I've recently gotten over my dislike for Rust evangelism and started learning it. It's just too good of an idea to let internet BS and my propensity to hold a grudge stop me from learning.

It's interesting that building a self-hosting environment is a stated non-goal. Sounds like they are really focused on research and not building a production toolchain, but who knows?

I'm really interested in seeing where it goes. Not really my area but I'll probably spend a couple of nights playing around with it.

Right on. If I'm honest, I've called people out the same way with almost the exact same language on different subjects. So, fair play.

I'm going to say something crazy, and it's cool if you disagree if you don't call me names or kick me in the shin.

Pay people to go to school. At least for a while. Why not?

So, I'm not saying that all academia is a front for aliens.

I'm saying that the narrative produced from the status quo in economics has been, for almost all of my life, very conducive to the interests of the powerful.

Do other fields have people doing that? Of course. The petroleum industry has been able to pay for people to push their agenda. That's a thing that happens.

There are some historical, political, and material reasons for the state of economics and academia in general.

Lots of academia is literally just job training for corporations, so don't front like it's above the fray. Even genuine, and valuable, research gets prioritized over less research that isn't as valuable in the private sector. So, again, I'm not the one saying that academia has a problem. Lot's of academics have said these things.

Also, from an argumentative perspective it always seems like economics starts from something like a thought experiment and then go on to use the results of that "experiment" as a evidence in its own right.

Yes, Einstein used thought experiments, but he used known physics as the starting point. I hear economic arguments that start with a premise that isn't a settled thing like "lets assume that we are hunter gatherers on the savanna and you have some beads and I have an arrowhead." It's not based on a measurement that other people have made and agree on. It's not even based on an archaeological dig where the bones of two people were found.

I realize that isn't what actually goes into a phd thesis. Its economics used as a force of nature that bothers me. It's inevitable. Maybe I'm just calling economics the pseudo-ish stuff that I get presented as a layman. Maybe every economics school in every university has a healthy group of people who are critical of basic assumptions. I hope so.

If you are an economist and I offended you, then please accept my apology. That wasn't my intention, really.

I personally think that economics is propaganda. Economists may think they are above ideology, but...

It was a really cool project. The software isolated processes concept is something that I really like.

PG mentions in footnote 2 that " the far right tend to ignore moderates rather than despise them as backsliders. I'm not sure why. Perhaps it means that the far right is less ideological than the far left. Or perhaps that they are more confident, or more resigned, or simply more disorganized"

This is not the case. The far-right police doctrinal purity very well, actually. They have built multiple pipelines for taking ideas that were once extreme and moving them to the moderates, who they then push to adopt these ideas lest the be called out as "Republican in name only (RINO)" or whatever the du jour insults are.

I don't know about the current state of things, but the far right used bank robberies to finance operations across multiple fronts back in the 90's. They used the proceeds to fund groups in different regions.

The far right is dangerous in a way that "the left" hasn't been since the 1960's.

I think its telling that PG's really concerned with ideologies that are a threat to his financial/class interests, thereby validating a point maid be leftist critiques of wealthy people like PG. So, way to prove their point, PG-man.

The history of the far right is really interesting and I would recommend it as a field of reading for anyone interested in American history.

"If that saying doesn’t convince you of the fatuousness of left vs. right labels"

It reminds me of how fatuous Nassim Taleb can be, certainly. That quote basically deletes any historical context and actual belief held by those groups. It reduces the actual differences that they have to a bumper sticker level of depth.

Not trying to be insulting or anything, I just don't find it that helpful, and I'm also not particularly a fan of Taleb.

There was a copy of the code for Singularity, the predecessor to Midori, on CodePlex. Not sure if it ever got moved to Github.

It has to be said, though. It's more like "source available", not open source. I can't remember what the license is specifically, but it's not a proper open source license.

You could see it, build it, and play with it, but you couldn't do anything else with it. No sharing changes, no derivatives, etc.

Singularity would be a neat place to start working on a managed code OS, though.

I would prefer that they properly open source Midori.

tough crowd.

That's a pretty big simplification of politics over the last century and a half.

For example, let me grant you that Nazi Germany and the Soviets were equally bad for the sake of this question, would that mean that we and our allies were moderate? Do the proxy wars that we fought/are fighting all over the world factor into an ideological spectrum?

The reason that I'm asking a question instead of just going all "what about-ism" is I really would like top understand why people think the way they do. Not trying to start an argument.

I'm trying to understand how you see Republican positions changing over time as well. From the perspective of policy or cultural issues. If I grant your point about how the last 15 years has seen a resurgent left, something that I'm stoked about, could you explain a little about how you've seen the republicans change over 10 to 20 years?

Are you saying that as the Democrats became distanced from working-class issues, the republicans got closer to working-class issues?

Could you explain that in terms of the policy that they adopted or is it a response to Dems adopting minority rights issues?

What I mean to say is that if they are both bad in the same way on working class issues, what is it about minority rights that would make you vote R?

Genuinely trying to understand here...not trolling.

"and the far right and far left are roughly equally wrong"

I disagree with this in the strongest terms.

I realize that the people on this site lean right, and arguing politics isn't really cricket, so I won't go into to why.

The "center" is a political ideology that pretends that it's something else.

Also, being good at one thing doesn't make someone's opinion about everything else important.

Thanks for the link...just bought two solokeys. Been meaning to do that but lost track of them.

Isn't this what rustlang did?

I have to admit that I'm coming around on rust. I still think that their fanboy marketing is obnoxious...but I need to get over my penchant for finding reasons to be angry.

Like I said, nothing happens in a vacuum. People in the anti-abortion camp routinely call people evil, demon possessed, and immoral. They have killed people. There are bills passing now that force women to undergo unneeded medical procedures.

Somehow I'm being sanctimonious because I'm not going to pretend that there is no historical context to all of this.

That's what they have been doing this whole time. The far-right pushes against the bounds of decency and then the center-right says that you aren't being civil when someone brings it up.

I'm not marginalizing anyone. I'm just not going to pretend that there is no larger context.

Me too? I also hope that I never encounter slavery in real life?

It does happen, and if I did meet someone that was forced into slavery, I would hope that I could find help?

If anything I was defending public school? What the hell are you talking about?

I bet you also think taxation is theft and Ayn Rand is a great author.

I hope you never see a real prison. I'm serious about this. They are horrifying.

Do you grant creationists good faith? How about anti-vaxers? Flat earthers?

People have been using free speech absolutism over the last couple of years to popularize poisonous ideas. Should we keep letting that happen?

EDIT: Maybe they have an opinion, but frankly that lot don't spin this as an opinion. It's barbarism. It's murder. It's evil. Don't act like their isn't a larger context to all of this.