My son and his friends are already doing their homework using ChatGPT. Teachers will have to get used to this and hopefully embrace it.
but if i were an english teacher assigning research-like papers, i'd definitely incorporate chatgpt responses into my assignments. make them write a draft with chatgpt3 then revise it themselves in class with pen and paper. then write a version in their own words without plagiarizing the chatgpt version, but they can only use google docs or some format that can track changes, so the teacher can see the process. or something like that — it would need some iterating and real-world feedback.
now THAT is a creative thing to do. I like that. I suppose the calculator version would be to do something like: "here is a simple graph plot, create an equation that produces a similar plot"
Wish there were more teachers like you embracing this stuff as a tool rather than doing your best to design a curriculum to 'defeat' it.
I too think that's exactly what's wrong with the education system nowadays - too much homework and not enough time for drugs, Call of Duty, $120 apparel from LuluLemon, browsing TikTok all day in bed, and sending nudes over SnapChat.
Childhood. Solved.
As of my 30s, I can now mostly read warning labels and some of the Spanish manual if I happen to grab the wrong one out of the box. Conversations with a native speaker? No way.
If that wasn’t a complete waste of my time, I don’t know what is.
Presumably, from your point of view, all of the time invested into it was a waste of time, not just the homework part. That said, it doesn't follow from this that any homework is a waste of time. It doesn't even follow that Spanish homework is generally a waste of time.
One cannot generalize from your example at all because you might be an outlier. You'd have to show that learning Spanish provided no value to the majority of kids who studied it, or that class time is sufficient to learn Spanish so homework isn't really needed, which would be a very hard thing to argue for a human language.
For what it's worth, I took Bulgarian folk music - I'm not Bulgarian, nor do I live in Bulgaria, nor can I play any musical instruments. Was it a waste of time? Acquiring knowledge is never a waste of time for me. Typing comments on HN might be though.
EDIT: On second thought, one can just put more emphasis on exams taken in-premises with supervision.
It's about maximizing your college admissions chances, which then leads to better jobs.
Id rather be stupid and rich than "educated" and poor.
First you're projecting your personal experience in your (I guess crap) school in a crap educational system to the norm. It's not.
Second, jobs having higher educational standards is a reflection of the booming of educated youngs, not the other way around.
Third, skilled uneducated professionals (e.g. plumbers, cooks, electricians, mechanics) make much more than graduates on average, it's a night and day difference, comes also debt free and you can start compounding much earlier. If money is your goal an education is actually not necessarily needed if not dangerous.
And no, the stats say that tradespeople are massively underpaid on avg compared to BS holders. Ofc, no one believes this here since HNs demographics are highly clustered in the bay area where trades people basically just tell you how hard you're going to bend over for them...
I'm European, know our school systems in various countries and it has no resemblance to the ideas you have about education and we don't really have such gatekeeping at college at all.
Third, about trades, I've never lived in SF, but I lived in italy/poland/switzerland and even 6 months at OSU in columbus and I've seen that all the time: skilled tradesmen in all these places make MUCH more than average graduate. There's no comparison. I'm 100% sure the average decent carpenter or electrician makes more than a stem graduate in Italy or Switzerland.
seems like a pipe dream to me.
If someone takes the approach that school is required for learning, then they'll stop learning after finishing university (as most people do) and within a decade they'll be stupid compared to someone who believed learning is a personal thing and kept learning after their formal schooling had ended.
The answer is no. A life of material richness vs being poor and highly educated. Ask a postdoc this question and I bet the majority would take lifetime wealth to having to slave away in a lab.
The greeks had an ideal. It's been so corrupted by the modern system that even the ideal is dead.
I don’t think so? Maybe in some rare edge cases. If you were born to a rich family even with midling grades you will remain rich. If you were born to a poor family even with excelent grades you likely won’t raise above middle class, and that if you are lucky. If you were born into a middle class family and you are lucky enough to avoid catastrophies you will likely stay okay, but not lobster termidor every day rich.
Honestly it is much more likely that if they give you great grades and put the idea into your head that you should be a poet or a philosopher or similar that they send you down the ramen path.
I don’t know where you got this notion.
I get my question, research it, provide chatgpt with an outline and ask it to fluf it out in a nice style and maybe copy it down once. Even if I only remember 80% of what I wrote then that is still a win.
Don’t pretend, we will see you ;)
exams will show what you’re really capable of.
lol
And with all of that extra time, I'll study for your "exams".
Just replace chatgpt with Wikipedia, did this for 4 years of uni and another 2 at an ivy n school. No one was the wiser and now I have a cushy MBB job to show for it.