Comment by lelanthran | Hacker News Reader

Comment by lelanthran | Hacker News Reader

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Why the antagonism? Programmable editors don't work for you, fine.

Why make personal attacks on me, like this:

> you pretend that

I'm not pretending anything.

> Thing is, you don't remember "fewer things" with Emacs/Vim. You end up remembering about the same, or greater number of things

Not true. Like I said, I use an IDE daily, and there's much more to remember to get the same functionality that I get out of (for example) Vim. It's easier for me to remember (for example) 10 nouns that can be combined with 10 verbs than to memorise 100 shortcuts.

You may find it easier to memorise 100 shortcuts rather than 10 verbs and 10 nouns, but I am certainly not pretending when I tell you that I find it easier to remember 20 things rather than 100 things.

> It's easier for me to remember (for example) 10 nouns that can be combined with 10 verbs than to memorise 100 shortcuts.

1. There are no nouns or verbs in Vim. There's a haphazardly built combination of letters that are laboriously explained as some grand design.

2. You keep coming up with random numbers that make no sense and pretend (yes, pretend) that they are somehow true and relevant

I didn't memorise 100 shortcuts.

The only reason you struggle to get the same functionality out of an IDE is that you don't want to invest as much time and energy into learning it as you did with emacs/vim. There's nothing inherently easier about memorising `M-x sql-connect` or 20 random letters in Vim than learning basic functionality and shortcuts of an IDE.

> 1. There are no nouns or verbs in Vim.

Yes, there is.

Since your entire argument is predicated on a false premise, maybe you should stop digging at this point?

I agree. Honestly, I’m proficient with vim/emacs, but I’ve been using JetBrains for ~13 years and don’t want to sound boastful, but I’m pretty sure I’ll run circles around non-trivial amount of vim users in terms of productivity/efficiency/raw text editing. The amount of time I’ve put in customizing my workflow is stupid. The false dichotomy that if you use IDE you must be point-clicking around menus is often repeated. I guess … know your tool of choice inside-out is what’s more important.

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