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Comment by RubyPinch | Hacker News Reader

-- jesus that is horrible

++ jesus that site is horrible

"Isomorphic JavaScript apps are JavaScript applications that can run both client-side and server-side."

like bash, wget (edit: yes I know these arn't javascript, missing the point by roughly 462 miles), etc? hmm, maybe I'm missing something here, oh look, a [learn more](http://isomorphic.net/javascript) link, which says...

"Isomorphic JavaScript. JavaScript applications that can run both client-side and server-side." and a little meaningless venn diagram

...

so I need to go down to "Why isoblah", follow the link to a random article about the latest tech craze

"At the end of the day, we really want a hybrid of the new and old approaches: we want to serve fully-formed HTML from the server for performance and SEO, but we want the speed and flexibility of client-side application logic."

oh, so, "HTML pre-rendering"? or, "like twitter for the past # months"?

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making a website to introduce people to a new concept, doesn't work if its aimed at people who are already knowledgeable about said concept.

not like this matters, this website seems more... "lets drop a copy of bootstrap and knock something together quickly and we might be able to capitalize on this craze", judging by the lack of any actual content (no blog, no jobs listing, links for both, the blog of the copyright holder has a blog consisting of "hello world", and who's portfolio consists of 20 broken websites, all of which look exactly the same)

Actually, it's your comment that's horrible.

> like bash, wget, etc

What? In what world is bash a JavaScript application that can run both client-side and server-side?

The tagline is direct and obvious. What part of running both client-side and server-side don't you understand?

And yes, it does look like a bit of an MVP, but that's no reason to rip into their efforts.

hint: I was referring to the client/server part with those examples

if it must be in JS to satisfy the entire sentence, vtop, any node.js application, etc

> The tagline is direct and obvious. What part of running both client-side and server-side don't you understand?

going by the examples I gave, the fact that it doesn't clear up any ambiguity one might have over that tag line

my first reading, it seemed like it was talking about any program, written in JS, that could be run on either server or client, which is obviously meaningless. so I decided to look further, something the site itself didn't clear up

it doesn't mention implementation approaches, effects it would have, (well, it mentions the effects (all 2 of them), giving no actual reason for any of it)

what it could of said, "The same application runs on both server and client, along-side one another. By sending pre-rendered HTML, it greatly speeds up initial page load and allows for more accessibility"

like, that takes no effort, and that no-effort wasn't made in the creation of this site

at this point I'm literally re-typing my previous comment so there isn't much point in continuing.

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I have zero problem with the approach itself, sending HTML is great, per-rendering is great. I have a problem with the site. its only as good as a list of libraries, nothing more

> if it must be in JS to satisfy the entire sentence, vtop, any node.js application, etc

What? "Any node.js application" most definitely won't successfully run client-side. Similarly, "bash" most definitely won't run client-side. Additionally, most client-side frameworks don't effortlessly work in a DOMless environment.

> that could be run on either server or client, which is obviously meaningless

How is that meaningless? That's literally the entirety of what's important about isomorphic apps: the same codebase can be run client-side and server-side.

I'm not typing for personal gratification, I've explained this

> Similarly, "bash" most definitely won't run client-side

what is a terminal, what is linux, what is windows even. you know "client-side" can refer to multiple things, yes? browser, computer, etc

> that could be run on either server or client, which is obviously meaningless

I've mentioned this in relation to my examples given, 3 times now, stop intentionally making this difficult

I can run program A on my computer, I can run program A on a server. this has no value to mention, as such it is a meaningless personal comprehension of the tagline.

if you want me to explain that a 4th time, I'll be glad to

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you must realize the world exists in /and out/ of the browser, javascript exists outside of the browser and server, Atom comes to mind

So, I'm pretty sure you're just being intentionally stupid.

In the context of JavaScript, it should be fairly obvious that the "client" is a web browser.

the fact that you couldn't understand me 3 times in a row, should easily prove the fact that misunderstandings / poor explanations can be given

and it wasn't fairly obvious, I work software, not web-dev. using a browser as an application host is something I know of, but I do not spend any time thinking about.

as I said, atom jumps to mind

that being said, I knew that my interpretation was wrong (I actually had to explain that my initial view was wrong, 4 times, to you, my god) so I looked for more information

which is the meat of my complaint, it doesn't provide information

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8415448

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all you have been doing is telling me that my interpretation, which I considered incorrect, is incorrect. I don't know what you are trying to achieve with that

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8415363 "hmm, maybe I'm missing something here"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8415420 me saying my interpretation was meaningless, and also very specific use of the word "either"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8415472 me saying my interpretation was meaningless again

and then you finally tell me my interpretation was wrong. I think I know its wrong.

The client in this case isn't a personal machine, it's the browser. Isomorphic apps can run both server side, and in the browser. Not that difficult of a concept

> Isomorphic apps can run both server side, and in the browser.

let me explain my issues with a couple questions:

"in what way?" and "oh, how so?"

The learn more page links here: http://nerds.airbnb.com/isomorphic-javascript-future-web-app...

Isn't the greatest site though. Looks like it was started and then abandoned around March

that is the start and end of my point. the site is poorly made, and other than being a collection of links, provides little else

make-and-forget-unless-it-becomes-popular

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