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This indeed. Economic democracy is as important as political democracy.

It's mental illness, probably. Look up gang-stalking, it's a paranoid delusion of persecution, and the internet has enabled people that have it to get together and confirm each other's cases.

Aww, thanks for the concern. Your problem is you are not nearly mad enough about what is going on, and where things are heading (assuming you're not fully on board, which is seeming likely). Enjoy your head full of sand.

Sure pal. It's not the fascists and the pedos and the white supremacists and the warmongering oligarchs, it's anyone who points out what they are doing.

I'm starting to think you do support all of that. Why else would you whine about anyone mentioning it? What alternative is there? You clearly have no idea about the people you think should be talked to, they cannot be reached because they like what's going on.

It took a goddamn world war to stop Nazis from doing what they did. Talking won't do anything to people like that.

Oh, so blue MAGA is just someone you don't like, I see.

You are either are blind to the things going on in this country, or you approve of them. Elon Musk did a Nazi salute at Trump's inauguration. Twice. Trump invited a known white supremacist to dinner. ICE is disappearing people. Trump had his goons raid a sitting congresswoman, in an obvious attempt to intimidate naturalized citizens and immigrants. He is implementing Project 2025, which is white Christian nationalism. He already attempted a coup, and has every intention of interfering in the midterms. Oh and he's clearly a pedo.

And you think people opposed to those things are "extreme"? What exactly do you say to people who support things that Nazis literally supported? As I said, you either support these things, or you are willfully ignorant of them.

There is no center with fascism. You are for or against. I don't give a goddamn if you are tired of hearing about it. People less fortunate than you are living it.

No idea what blue MAGA is. But I know a fascist apologist when I hear one. And that fascism is the political extremism here, so you might consider leaving it behind.

How is that any different than what we already have? Just because the central planning is more covert, doesn't mean it's not happening. And we get all the expected "benefits" from it too, like repeated economic crises, and only the the powerful reaping the benefits.

There is firm historical precedent on how to talk to Nazis.

> until we start having civil conversations with our friends, family, neighbors, and community. We could be having conversations about how we improve our democracy.

You don't have much idea what some of our family, friends, and neighbors are like do you? I have nothing to say to fascists, Nazis, and anyone who advocates for the things MAGA advocates for. Spare us the "oh we should just talk it out" BS. The time for discourse ended when people started advocating for racist fascism. And if you're unable to spot the racist fascism, then you likely support it.

I trust none of them. How is that hard to understand? Being marginally better than OpenAI or Facebook is like preferring a solid turd to a liquid one.

Wow, they did one good thing! Let's absolve them of everything else. Saying "they objected to murder!" is not the defense you think it is. And what does it say about the other AI companies? They are all a cancer, and they pretend it's for everyone's benefit, and they pretend we have some say in what they do. "But they didn't murder anyone!" is the bare fucking minimum I expect from every company, and a whole lot more besides.

What a crock of shit. Who actually buys the idea that they are in for anything but money? Pretending to care is almost worse than just owning the fact they are out for profit.

Every single "pillar" they mention is demonstrably false.

Just remember to come back to this comment in a year or two.

> $450B of non-cancellable cloud commitments over the next 10 years

Where have I heard about this before? Oh right, months ago by Ed Zitron.

Your "better way" is what got us here. Capitalism has always been regulated. You cannot create a system where having more money == having more power, and expect those with more power not to tilt the scales in their favor. It's not possible. Double standards for the rich and poor has been a trope since there were poor and rich people, and that's because by design the rich have more power.

We can't even keep laws on the books that were passed as a result of the Great Depression or Great Recession. All normal people agreed that we should not repeat those catastrophes, and yet the rules were repealed because they inconvenienced the rich people who wanted to make more money, and what they say goes.

We need a system without coercive hierarchy, and without a system of haves with power and have-nots without it.

This is the inevitable result of a system that equates capital with power, and relies on an uneven distribution of said capital-power. A system designed for inequality will result in equality, and those with power-capital will only find more and better ways to increase their power-capital, to the detriment of us all. Humankind is doomed if we do not find a better way than capitalism.

Incredible, your very own ignorance is showing through in your derision of skepticism as ignorance.

A blogger saying i-told-you-so will be the least of our problems if he's right. That's the problem.

So? Tell me his data is wrong, and then I'll care. His primary "prediction" is that it's a bubble and will crash. And he has lots of empirical facts regarding Anthropic, OpenAI, and all the related companies' actual financial situation. Him being wrong on different predictions does not change the fact that Anthropic and OpenAI are in massive debt and do not have the revenue to handle it, and that a huge percentage of the stock market is being propped up by AI. As he himself says, I really hope nothing bad happens, but the financials are to dire to ignore.

I don't understand giving the benefit of the doubt to a company that is actively spying on its customers, which in some jurisdictions would be illegal.

Now let's think for a second about why you would ever want to report it that way. There is not one good reason other than hiding your actual measly revenue.

Fraud is problematic because it results in harm. Betting in the way Anthropic/OpenAI/Nvidia are is legal, and still incredibly likely to cause harm. So sure, you're technically correct, but the resulting harm that we will all suffer when it all comes crashing down won't be any easier because it was legal...

No one has rebutted Ed's points. The only rebuttal is "but look how cool AI is!". He mainly sticks to objective facts about their financial situation, and an honest analysis of that situation is dire, regardless of what you think of AI.

Do you know who is not surprised by this? Ed Zitron, and anyone who has read his articles or anyone who have looked into these companies at any level deeper than "AI do cool things! AI must be good investment! AI must make much money!"

That's not cynicism, that's an accurate understanding of how Western capitalist democracies have worked for decades.

It's great it can do that. But it in no way justifies the social and environmental costs of AI, which is the point of the article.

You are misunderstanding basic political terminology then, if you think it's somehow odd that leftists are against Democrats. Democrats and Republicans are both capitalists and liberal in the classical sense, both of which leftists oppose.

Nope. They know their business model is not sustainable, so they are trying to prop it up before their IPOs.

Fuck that indeed. The buck should stop, and prison sentences should start, with the highest paid employee.

"Hesitancy" about heliocentricity isn't new either, and yet we've sent out a solar probe. Willfully ignoring science will never get old, it seems.