biocomputation

Not sure how to respond to this. For many gay and lesbian men and women (including myself) Brendan Eich's donation to support Prop 8 was a very clear message. I'm perfectly happy to choose a browser that isn't developed by a man who thinks I shouldn't have the same right to marry as he does.

I said a few years ago that Brave wasn't going anywhere, and it isn't. It's not because Brendan Eich donated to Prop 8 either. The vast majority of the large, liquid market of browser users simply don't care about privacy.

Totally agree, and I don't know why more people don't say this. I actually enjoy going and looking at the food I'm going to buy. Most stores have nice extras like coffee shops and small cafes that can turn the 'chore' into a nice outing.

> My total comp this year is upwards of $250k

This attitude is why there's been so much pushback against tech in places like San Francisco and Seattle.

Yes, it's just this simple. I don't know why more people can't understand how basic this is.

Well, it's clear they already have one.

Wow, it sounds like you're saying their implementations are incompetent or something?

Just kidding, Electron is pigware to the the extreme.

<< I honestly think that there's something deeply damaged at the heart of the American psyche. You've no sense that you are “are all one and the same” to use Ford's words. You can't see why collectively paying taxes for healthcare (everyone's family has an illness at some point in time) and collectively bargaining for cheaper medicines from manufacturers might be overall a good thing.

More than half of Americans support single-payer. Some estimates are as high as 70%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/most-americans-now-support-m...

I absolutely support single-payer and so do most of the people I know.

There isn't a HN thread long enough for the discussion of what it might take to actually get single-payer done.

And to think that so much of the technology that makes this possible comes from the Valley itself!

As a US citizen, the idea of being able to work anywhere is appealing. If your infra is everywhere, then I guess you could be anywhere too.

That's the dream, right?

I think, if it were feasible, OSM could use a really sharp CEO. I think it has incredible potential, but it needs strong leadership to determine strategy for differentiation, product positioning, and marketing. Microsoft or Facebook could make an investment in this direction and things could really take off. Just a thought.

I'm not doubting that some Chinese students cheat. Maybe it's even higher than the proportion of students in other ethnic groups who cheat.

I'm simply saying that it shouldn't be framed as a problem with Chinese culture because it is a problem in all human cultures. That's all.

People who can, do, and people who can't, cheat. It's the way of the world, and not isolated to any particular ethic group, social class, or otherwise.

I feel like personal credibility is the only real way to get teammates to follow your lead. And that involves things like following your teammates lead as well.

Collaboration is an art form.

<< That's the whole point. Unless you are a direct descendant of native Americans, you too are a guest of theirs, regardless of whether you are a first generation immigrant, or the grandchild of one. But strangely, nobody is in much of a hurry to ask for native opinions on immigration policy.

That's an utterly fallacious argument and you know it. We're talking about current US immigration policy, not the history of the US, which no one is in a position to change. Your attempt to reframe this debate by painting all US citizens who are not the descendants of indigenous peoples as 'guests' only weakens your arguments because it is crystal clear that you're using US history as a straw man. Whether you like it or not, US citizens cannot be guests in the US, not legally nor otherwise.

Furthermore, this discussion isn't even framed around 'native' vs 'descended from people from elsewhere'. This discussion is about US citizens (people with US passports who can vote in US elections) and foreign nationals here in the US as guest workers. Start a different discussion if you want to debate the history of immigration to the US.

<< I am here under the same set of rules as any native born settler - which accurately describes most Americans - is. Maybe even more legally, given that immigration control is historically, a relatively recent phenomena. (At least, with respect to 'white' people. Let's not talk about the incredibly racist history of that institution.)

Your attempt to shift the discussion to various aspects of US history shows that you're apparently not willing to debate H1-B on its merits. As noted above, we define US citizens as people who hold US passports and who can vote in US elections. Immigration control is also not a recent phenomenon. People have been engaging in various forms of immigration control for thousands and thousands of years.

<< There's a certain oddity to having a country founded on immigration, without the consent of the native inhabitants, setting up rules for who can immigrate to it (which many Americans' ancestors would probably not have been able to meet), and then pooh-poohing someone who has met said rules for legally being here. It's a tad hypocritical.

This is talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you really believe the US was founded without the consent of the natives, then why are you here participating in a system that you describe as racist with its origins in colonization?

You either truly believe these things about the US and participate anyway (thereby nominating yourself for the hypocrisy prize) or you don't believe it, which means you're presenting baseless arguments that you don't believe.

You can't have it both ways.

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Well put! I shouldn't assume.

This leftist is is vehemently and resolutely against H1-B. I've posted about it many times here on HN. I feel like access to good jobs and housing are bedrock social justice issues for American workers. I've been called a racist, even though I certainly don't care where the H1-B workers come from. If it were up to me, I would literally line up the planes and send them all home.

American tech companies are basically the richest companies on the planet, and they can well afford to hire and train American workers. In light of growing income inequality, it makes me sick to think that so many of the best paying jobs in the economy go to foreign nationals.

Oh, and, as I've said many times before, non-profits, which include basically all hospitals and universities in the entire country are exempt from the annual cap.

H1-B produces terribly unjust outcome for American workers.

I totally agree. My parents own a 'cabin' in a development in the mountains, and the biggest cabin in the development -by far- is owned by a a plumber. He has done very well, and I doubt he writes much, if any, code.

Super useful community in some ways. Like many others in this thread, I was more or less scared off by super users. I know quite a lot about GLSL, shader programming, and GPU tech, but my experience was similar to what others describe. I answered questions that were 'poorly asked' or 'not constructive' and found that threads were locked pretty quick.

But on the other hand, there's a ton of great stuff, and a lot of users have invested serious time providing extremely helpful answers.

It's a really bizarre place.

>> Also, they do not get the right to decide where people live. That's fundamentally entitled, selfish, and greedy attitude.

Oh but new people do that all the time.

Scrapping H1-B doesn't end legal immigration.

Saying that you want to end immigration to the US, period, is anti-immigrant.

Saying that you want to end H1-B because you think these jobs should go to American citizens is not anti-immigrant.

Getting rid of H1-B wouldn't end immigration though.

<< what other options I may have in the US immigration system?

This discussion isn't about how to immigrate to the US.

<< However, for skilled workers, the system is very hostile.

Well I'm sorry you feel that way. You could always return to your home country and fight to make things better there. That's what I'm doing by opposing H1-B - I'm fighting to make things better here.

<< Giving tech jobs to Americans will help decrease inequality, but the effect will be so small.

Right, if the effect is so small, then why is it so important to YOU?

<< Why not take this one step further and make it “white Murican workers”? Or how bout “white straight males of aryan descent”?

American worker doesn't mean "white Murican worker". It means American citizen. American citizen isn't a synonym for Caucasian.

You're doing that thing that people do when we talk about H1-B. You're conflating opposition to H1-B with racism and xenophobia.

It's not racist or xenophobia to say that American workers should have first crack at economic opportunities in their own country. As noted in my original remarks, this is something we have to talk about if we're serious about addressing things like income inequality and equal access to economic opportunity.

I think it's utterly wrong to give the best economic opportunities to foreign nationals when there are imminently qualified US workers.

Even worse, many non-profits are exempt from the annual caps.

http://www.thenonprofittimes.com/news-articles/nonprofits-us...

"For-profit companies and many nonprofits come under a nationwide cap of 65,000 H-1B visas per year, plus 20,000 for an advanced degree exemption. Nonprofits are exempt from any cap if they are institutions of higher education; related to or affiliated with an institution of higher education; or a research organization."

I'm a lifelong Democrat (and socially and fiscally liberal) and I see this as an issue of social justice for American workers. Tech jobs are among the best paying jobs in the country, and if we're serious about income inequality then more (or very nearly all) of these jobs need to go to US citizens.

The US already has a generous immigration policy. H-1B is solely about access to cheap labor, and it should be ended immediately.

* I'd like to see an example of a single page app ( todo list or similar ) made with Flutter running on Google cloud hardware.

* Ideally this app would be designed for a desktop browser.

* I'd like to see examples of how to gracefully render this app on a mobile device.

* I'd like to see how to do the UI in a really data-driven way so that I supply something like JSON and the UI just renders.

Also, where is the Flutter + GCE engine example? That's what interests me.

Full stack debugging + shaders has made this greybeard cry.

Those screenshots don't prove that anyone discriminated against Damore. Those screenshots only prove that people were angered by his memo.

In any case, conservatives at large are currently working on law that will allow people to discriminate at will against people if they feel like it infringes on their religious liberty. ( In fact, just such a law has already been passed in Indiana. Signed by Mike Pence. )

So while conservatives now complain bitterly about discrimination, they're the one's busily enshrining it in laws at various levels.

Imagine if a religious liberty bill passes. In fact, I can't wait. Then I can fire all my conservative employees en masse for offending my liberal Christian religious views.

Does that help you see why this madness must end? Why no one wants it?

<< Oppress is still too strong.

He funded nakedly oppressive political activity. Passing a law to deny consenting adults the right to marry solely on the basis of their sexual orientation is oppression by itself. That Prop 8 had significant financial and legal consequences for tens of thousands of Californians is the proof that the act was overtly oppressive.

[1] http://www.dictionary.com/browse/oppress

The real reason conservatives have so much trouble in liberal places is their outright refusal to acknowledge their political and social behavior is profoundly harmful to segments of society.

The solution is so, so, so easy: a conservative person should simply find somewhere else to live if they are unhappy in any geographic regions where a lot of liberals are busy using their constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of expression to build the kind of society they want.

Right, but Mozilla can't attract/keep great LGBTQ employees if the CEO believes that it is okay to actively oppress LGBTQ employees. By extension, this also extends to heterosexual employees who have LGBTQ friends and family members, or to any potential employees who believe in LGBTQ equality.

( And before anyone thinks that 'oppress' is too strong a word, the inability to marry caused tax and inheritance implications for LGBTQ individuals in California, some of which were unrecoverable. To this point, consider that people who died during Prop 8 will never get justice; will never get equal representation. )

I am sorry you feel like your views are unwelcome/oppressed, but religious groups in the United States have a very long and extremely well-documented history of doing real, lasting, absolutely life-altering harm to LGBTQ individuals. This harm caused to LGBTQ Americans isn't the same as feeling like your views are unwelcome at your place of work, and I hope you can at least see the difference.

Brendan Eich may sincerely hold his religious beliefs, but he didn't stop at simply believing: he gave money to further an utterly poisonous cause that brought real, and in some case unrecoverable, harm to tens of thousands of Californians.