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Given that space communications and the militarization of space is becoming more and more prevalent, we are on the cusp of seeing some military actions in space that could render a few defense agencies impotent with regards to C3.

No one is developing a 5 server cluster with 200+ 4g modems to observe publicly available information. They are using said cluster to deliberately work around blocks, rate limits, and restrictions on scrapers who are scraping content solely to reproduce the data and use it for commercial purposes (make money)

I can unilaterally decide whether or not you use my business, in any way shape or form, even if I just don't like you, as long as I don't violate any laws (discrimination etc).

Try asking a startup for free software licenses or seats or whatever as a non-profit. "We're entitled to 40 seats of your SAAS solution because we're a non-profit working to solve world peace." It's definitely within the startup's pervue to respond with a no.

It's actually very simple. If I'm in a position to restrict access to the data, then I own it, unless there is some legal authority that has jurisdiction over me that says I must make it available to the public.

Public safety communications are radio waves that are broadcasted and the ability to passively monitor them is enshrined in United States law. That is a massively key difference.

If I was sending data into your home from my infrastructure without any action from you whatsoever, and you were reaching up into the air and gathering it and repackaging it, AND the law said that I have no intellectual property rights to said data, then that's a whole different story.

If an organization puts a series of processes in place to prevent scrapers from wholesale taking data in violation of terms of service, and you develop a 5 server cluster of 200x 4G modems it's no longer "fair game" and you're directly being unethical in your use of someone else's services.

This would be analogous to you thinking ancestory.com is "aptly hilarious" for arguing against someone just scraping their site for content.

What makes you think you should be entitled to drive by the very unique house that we built, and pointing right at that house and saying "I think I'll take that all of that for myself!"

Cool use case. Love it. Fascinating stuff. But if Google told you to stop, would you? Or would you instead decide to build a 5 server cluster of 200 4G modems spread across continents to continue your work? Because if you did I would assume that you've decided to move on from a cute little altruistic process into a commercial use of someone else's data to make a profit.

You damn right I do. I own, develop, and maintain the entire system that enabled the body of works to exist in the first place.

Do you think that you have a claim on ownership of the data because you drove by, saw what you liked, and decided that now you'll just rip the baton out of my hand?

But I'm going to assume that you have some level of a conscious and you don't really mean you could give 3 shits about someone else's hard work so you can have some satisfaction at home. Because at face value that's exactly what you said.

If I choose to make my data available to some businesses to make discovery of it easier, and I choose to decline to allow others to unilaterally copy my data to develop a different business, that's my right. And it is unethical and unreasonable for any other person to assume otherwise that they are entitled to the same rights I granted someone else.

If I own some data, I get to the be arbitrator of the who/what/when/where on the use of the data. Period.

I'm under no illusions that they would or would not honor that in the future, but that's the state today.

Exhibit A

“Hustle culture types” is simply a little anecdote about the types that would look you in the eye and tell you they are entitled to disregard what I said above. They’ll usually wrap it in some altruistic bs to justify as well.

A lot of the actors involved tend to be hustle culture types who think they are OWED your data, regardless of the ethics, laws, being a good citizen, whatever. They will blatantly disregard terms of service and hide behind massive setups such as these to circumvent protection etc.

And the problem is, if you run any sort of business or service that is data oriented, there will be thousands of people that will do this, which will cause you to devote enormous amounts of time, effort, money, and infrastructure just to mitigate the issues involved with data scraping. That's before you are even addressing whether or not these people are "stealing" your data. People who feel they are entitled to the crux of your business aren't bothered by being nice in the way they take it - they'll launch services that will cripple infrastructure.

Whenever I deal with a scraping process that decides it wants my entire business, and it wants all of it RIGHT NOW, or in 5 minutes, I want to find the person and sit them down in a room and tell them "hey, develop your own ideas and business. Ok? Thanks"

And if you think this was a problem before, it's exponentially worse over the past few months with every Tom, Susan, and Harry deciding they must have all your data to train their new LLM AI model. By the thousands.

Small little guys managing their own little clouds in their home eventually become CTOs. Vmware is going to learn an important lesson here.

Oracle is generally and universally hated. Welcome to that club, Vmware.

You'll just need the right Java JRE - exact version.

Oh god dammit that's where you finally pissed me off. Lol.

Or, missed opportunity to develop and sell the next Rocket Mortgage Platform.

If you're not part of the solution, be part of the problem.

I still chuckle when spinning up a linux instance and trying to use telnet command only to be told it's not installed and I briefly exclaim "WHAT!" before I have to install it.

Edit: Also don't forget Gopher, which was one of the original menu based document systems before HTTP became the "norm"