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I remember Portland. Sadly it burnt to the ground. No one lives there now, because there are no buildings.

Wait, I'm hearing reports. Reports that literally no city has been burnt to the ground due to protests? None at all? And this HN account is just out of touch?

You also think swearing is gross and uncommon.

I'm confident you are in a bubble with very little exposure to how the majority of people live.

My sweet summer child. You know how LRADs are deployed against US civilians? You know how chemical munitions are deployed against US civilians? (Specifically munitions that are considered illegal to deploy in war, but are apparently acceptable to deploy by police?) How flashbang grenades launched from handheld launchers are deployed against US civilians? How about the military personnel carriers and MRAPs?

You think those didn't start as restricted to some theater of war?

Go read up on the 1033 program. Or the DHS Grant Program, the Justice Assistance Grant program, or the 1122 program.

DHS is brand new, has caused horror and terror, and soaked up tons of funding that could go to literally anything else.

It doesn't need to exist. Keep the customs checks, keep the border crossing folks. Keep port inspections. Run ourselves like a normal country and like we did for hundreds of years.

Shit is just reactionary nonsense after 9-11.

This is a weapon that will be deployed primarily against their own citizens.

You should look up how private buses worked in Chile's capital.

A famous and well loved Disney Princess once said, "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

Seems germane here.

LoL, what are you on about?

For sure. This site is definitely not welcoming to everyone. Lord help you here if you are trans.

The vast majority would absolutely plead guilty.

If you cannot afford a lawyer, and the prosecution offers you a choice:

a) Go to trial. Lose your job. Get life altering debt. Spend a year or more stressfully fighting. Have your movements controlled, maybe be imprisoned. And THEN maybe you get proven innocent. Then there's a risk you get found guilty and face severe consequences.

b) Say you are guilty. Promise to pay a couple grand. You go home to your family tonight. Keep your nose clean and we'll seal the record in three years.

Tons of people would choose the latter.

Hopefully this person doesn't see your username! A homophone of "crap"! They'd be scandalized!

No one is expecting anyone to use a tool. Someone is offering a tool. Fork it and rename it. What a load of nonsense "expect".

Ah, so racism and classism it is then. Can't be having those "poors" here on our spotless orange site. Want to say something homophobic and or sexist before we continue?

Well, not totally. It's read only, which changes how people engage. It also lets you control ordering and presentation. It also lets you hide ads.

Peepee poopoo.

Maybe your cultural values aren't my cultural values. Maybe you need to consider who you are excluding by suggesting that using a curse word is unacceptable?

Cursing has a long tradition in lower economic class culture, in some minority cultures, in queer culture, heck in mainstream cultures worldwide we say "shit", etc. You want them all to conform to your one view of how professionals should be? The curse word isn't directed at you, it isn't directed at anyone you know, or even at a person.

No, I think maybe I'd rather live in a world where people are colorful, use language that's authentic to them, and include more people in the dialog.

Empathy is not the same as morality, where we all have different views on what's correct. I said nothing of moral wisdom. Empathy is the ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes, which some people demonstrably lack. (Whoever that short guy who ran ICE was, clearly lacked empathy.)

It requires structural changes, yes, but different from what you suggest.

It starts with empathy for the student. Recognizing that everyone deserves love and care. Showing first and foremost that the teachers are not seeking to be better than, but rather alongside.

It includes adding marginalized voices to pedagogy. If all you've ever heard are stories from one perspective, you tend to other the outgroup. Simply listening to other human experiences is one of the strongest ways to build empathy.

Then we must ask the people learning to examine their society. Does it dispossess anyone? You've heard from marginalized people, are there structural reasons why those people are marginalized? Could we change them?

And you make this the norm for education. It's not wedged into every lesson, but it's considered by teachers. You grow empathy generationally. You make it available online, you speak about it regularly (society doesn't only teach in classrooms).

You start to provide everyone with basics. The less we need to compete to survive, the more room we have to collaborate.

Maybe you don't reach every adult. Thats ok. Maybe you cannot teach everyone. But if you surround all those people who do have well developed empathy, their ability to cause damage is severely blunted.

The democrats dream is to become the oppressor. The dems are exactly who I am being critical of. I encounter democrats every day who say things like, "maybe we shouldn't let those hicks vote".

And I'm not proposing appeasement. Fascist policy must be stamped out. You can not barter with it.

This is not a "meet in the middle" position I propose. This is a leftist position of "feed everyone, house everyone, care for everyone, wellbeing for all, no matter who".

Yes, all means all. I do not care who you are, you deserve food, water, healthcare, housing, etc. If you have done harm to others, you must work to make them whole through your acts, not by rotting in a cell -- restorative justice not punitive justice.

Do not mistake my kindness for weakness.

Yes, this is of course true. The oppressed are not initiating violence. They receive it first.

What's the concern? Friere is not saying the oppressed cannot enact violence. Just that the oppressor is the first to do so.

I would abolish prison, except in the absolutely narrowest possible set of circumstances. Even then, prison would not be punitive. I am firmly of the belief that most crime comes from lack of education, lack of material needs, or lack of mental health and drug care.

The quote about oppressed becoming oppressors is a loose summary of "The Pedagogy of the Oppressed" where a central thesis is that it is relatively easier for the oppressed to fight to become oppressors rather than seek the liberatory education that would free both.

It's fairly common throughout modern history for a change in power to result in oppressed taking over the systems of the oppressor. You see it VERY commonly in US politics, as evidenced by the insinuation up thread by another poster that we should kill people.

And yes, you are right that the oppressed get to decide when they are made whole. I am specifically pointing out that for many of them, they choose the systems of the oppressor to achieve that, themselves becoming oppressors in the act of making themselves whole. Rather than making themselves whole through ending the cycle of violence and elevating everyone.

Battlezone is a series with many games in it.

For a second I thought this was that 90s era game about the space race where you play a tank pilot on the moon fighting the USSR in a first person rts.

I'm sure this game shares some DNA or history, but man, big nostalgia hit.

The company should be paying until the damage is made whole. The root cause of why it happened should be prevented industry wide, mechanically. If that's lax safety culture or profit motivations, remove them. Hold the executive team to account -- any board member or executive at the time of the incident should be indebted until the damage is repaired.

The assets and people will go elsewhere? Saddle them with the debt.

Prison is necessarily oppressive. "Criminal" sure does a lot of heavy lifting when you are making the laws...

Sure sounds like you want to oppress a people to me.

I think you are agreeing with me?

Why? The same reason South Africa put on a media blitz during apartheid.

When your country gets worldwide news for atrocities it is committing, leadership in those countries will do anything to change public opinion. (Except stop committing atrocities, I suppose.)

This was absolutely happening before 2016. It might have been unheard of, to you, prior to then. But countries have tried to change the results of US elections since forever.

When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to be oppressors. We must seek not to invert the relationship, but in fact to humanize both sides. Teach them empathy as justice is served to make whole the oppressed.

Yes? Sometimes buses are late or full. But it goes places and it's cheap.

If someone honks at me for obeying traffic rules, you better believe I'm going to be extra, super fastidious about obeying traffic rules while I'm in front of them.

And the companies are also struggling to recover, right? Because the damage to the company is commensurate with the damage to the environment it works within?

No? The companies are largely free from consequence?

Maybe our system is a bit broken.