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This is racist:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28592947

Literally overrun with racists then. I would think most people in their right mind would consider racism garbage.

I did flag it (I notice you didn’t even threaten that user with a ban btw). That does nothing apparently. It’s not “a few” bad posts. This site is overrun with this garbage. That thread has plenty of other comments that should be modded if you’re serious about running a healthy community.

You’re asking me to sit back and not be pissed that a site that is unfortunately influential in my industry acts as a megaphone to racists. I cannot and will not do that.

If racist comments were as rare as you claim I’d have nothing to respond to no? It’s extremely common.

Instead of bugging people who don’t like Figma (on topic btw), how about moderating white supremacists off the site like this guy?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28592947

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=skocznymroczny

> It's like asking your child whether we should buy a bigger house. "Yes! That would be great!"

If my parents were billionaires, I would definitely assume they could buy a bigger house.

The only $ missing are on your end. You’ve not mentioned that nearly all profit is currently being hoarded by executives and investors. People aren’t blind to this and have correctly come to the decision to work as little as possible since all the gains will be captured by those at the top.

I really don’t think it’s that complex. Apple has a history of unethical, illegal and unsavory employment practices.

That’s a given though. My comment was about how HN jumped on this aspect of the story as it loves to punch down.

> I’m not sure why having the money is relevant. Plenty of companies, people, and governments ‘have the money’.

And they are beholden to the public that allows them to keep that money. The government should absolutely be doing more to help disadvantaged people (and everyone else). That doesn’t make Apple a good place to work. They already have exploited child labor to build their fortunes. Apple is rotten to the core and this is just another example.

It’s not a hard question at all. Apple has the money to easily accommodate all of their workers. It would even be a PR win. Tim Cook and the other execs are just anti-labor to their core and (don’t realize?) how clear their actions are being read by future potential employees.

In this case Apple has all of the power and none of the moral character.

It’s not unreasonable at all. The person is deaf, Apple should provide any resources the employee needs to do their job.

1. It’s the right thing to do.

2. If Apple can afford multi-billion dollar toilet shaped offices, they can hire interpreters.

If HN allows racist content, they are responsible for it. It's absolutely within their power to ban people for regularly complaining about BLM or "critical race theory". They just don't. Whether that's because HN mods are racist themselves or for some other reason, it doesn't matter because the outcome is the same. It even flies in the face of their so called reasoning because no intelligent conversation will arise from such a comment, yet they're left up anyway.

People can even predict the racist reactions this "community" will have:

https://twitter.com/cybertillie/status/1438073023500849156

I strongly disagree. It’s well known that this is one of the only technology sites that will allow racist and sexist comments. I’m not alone in seeing this. Remember ShitHackerNewsSays and #hnwatch? You need to clean up your house before lecturing anyone who’s rightfully upset that you and the site owners allow this site to be a haven for hate speech.

If anyone doubts this, take a scroll through here:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

I literally just listed historical facts. Point to my accusations:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28539652

There’s nothing “fun” about this site. It’s the embodiment of the worst of our industry. It’s literally spewing AM radio quality right wing propaganda. I don’t think the people here are as intellectually curious as you claim.

Have you considered banning accounts that post racist trash like this instead of banning and censoring people who rightly call it out? You’re currently stewarding a white supremacist community and I have no idea how you sleep at night.

This thread needs a lot more attention on it. Not only does it demonstrate how racist and sexist this community is, it shows nicely how complicit you personally are in allowing this to happen.

Compare your response to this racist comment to this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28542045

At least it makes it easy to spot the white supremacists. Sadly this site and our industry are full of them.

The “other point of view” is white supremacy (aka the only people in the world concerned with “critical race theory”). The mods not only allow white supremacy on this site, they censor those who complain about it!

I literally got downvoted and throttled for saying slavery was real and talking about the very real genocide of Native children in Canada. What’s next, Holocaust denial?

No. I’m talking about events that have shaped modern Western Society. We’re talking about Canadian schools.

Again, are you saying that we shouldn’t teach the facts I listed?

You didn’t answer my questions. Are you suggesting we don’t teach those very real historical facts I mentioned because some sensitive racists may take it personally? Since when is that a reason to distort the truth?

Edit: HackerNews has decided to throttle me because I’m not a hivemind reactionary. I’m really close to highlighting what’s really going on in this “community” in a more public forum dang.

It’s not “shaming”. It’s teaching history. Should they not teach kids about slavery, colonialism…?

This is especially relevant in Canada where they have been uncovering mass graves of indigenous children at Catholic schools designed to convert Natives:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57325653

That’s definitely something that needs more discussion and investigation.

Edit: it’s absolutely appalling to downvote this. HN is trying to sweep genocide under the table now? This place is a toilet of reactionary racists.

This is absolutely an ethical issue (yes I’m American). Google knowingly violated labor laws to underpay workers. Hopefully the PR from this causes Google to lose billions (and for ethical people to stop working/applying at Google, which honestly probably happened about 10 years ago).

And the correct move there is to say:

“Actually, I’m very close to going with this new offer. I really clicked with the team. If Google wants to counter, I can wait till tomorrow to make my decision”.

Yes, it’s equally ridiculous and anti-worker either way. Trust is the foundation for good management and culture.

Agreed!

Companies will pay what they have to. I encourage everyone too seek the pay they are worth.

Why would it matter if the offer was “real”? Google should pay what the employee is worth to them. I say “FB offered me 400k, what’s your offer?”, what’s the point of Google asking for proof? My value to them hasn’t changed. I’d withdraw my application with that as it demonstrates a lack of trust.

I hope you’re teaching them the truth behind the origin of the technology and systems of our world. Otherwise you’re spreading ignorance.

Complaining about “wokeness” is to be willfully stupid. Your kids will find out the truth, even if you try to hide it from them.

What does it mean for a civilization to be “successful”? The vast majority of our progress has been made off of exploration, slavery and war. The latter fueling the entire tech industry starting with the code cracking computers of WWII and the nuclear holocaust survivable internet. Who is working the mines for the materials in our iPhones, and under what conditions?

It’s worthwhile to teach children the true history of progress and ask if perhaps there isn’t a better way.

Of course not, but micromanagement is never the answer. I will say there are a lot more decent programmers out there than there are managers. Many programmers are motivated by curiosity, 90% of managers are motivated by ego. Wfh is going to decimate the latter as egoless orgs become the norm.

> whenever he ran into a problem, he'd stop, fold his hands, and sit back in his chair. And wait until the manager noticed this, would come by, ask what the problem was, fix it for him, and he'd then proceed.

Certainly there are better ways to communicate than looking to see if someone is sitting back in their chair. Either they are delivering or they are not. If not, a good manager will ask what the problem is, then fix it. Not delivering should be a temporary state, if it’s not, that employee may not be a good fit for the org.

I’ve worked both and micromanaging is never good. For one, it doesn’t scale. It’s also indicative of poor process, communication and documentation.