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I am a futurist & biohacker, but since 2019 have been working to help counteract climate change by developing large-scale carbon removal projects and companies.

Previously was running Metalplant, where we use hyperaccumulator plants to mine soil for nickel, while removing carbon dioxide through enhanced rock weathering.

Enhanced weathering works by crushing magnesium-silicate minerals and spreading them into fields to generate alkalinity that forces CO2 to become stored as bicarbonate for 10,000+ years. Olivine is one of the most efficient minerals at this process, but contains trace nickel ~0.3%.

Nickel hyperaccumulator plants grow natively in nickel-bearing soils and draw nickel up from the soil and store it in their biomass as a natural defense against predators. The plants are harvested and processed to pure nickel products. With optimized plants, hundreds of kilograms of nickel can be recovered per hectare per year.

Normally phytomining is as phytoremediation and the soil nickel level depletes, but by utilizing olivine weathering on these soils already containing nickel, we can resupply the nickel as the olivine weathers, stoichemetrically removing gross 300 tonnes of carbon for every tonne of nickel we replenish into the field.

The company was originally developed as a way to demonstrate how to create an economically viable carbon removal technology that creates valuable and important co-products that can drive the upscaling of the process.

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In 2017, I started Climigitation a non-profit think tank dedicated to promoting technologies and techniques to mitigate climate change and remove atmospheric carbon dioxide. Started as a non-profit, it was known as Project Vesta and the idea was to use tropical beaches to speed up Earth's natural long-term carbon-silicate cycle. In early 2021, I left Project Vesta after that, it was split into a non-profit and a for-profit PBC. Vesta has successfully deployed olivine onto beaches in Southhampton New York, and Duck, North Carolina and now focuses on beach nourishment.

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In the biohacking space, I was a "nootropics historian" and started and ran the nootropics company, Nootroo. I helped drive the adoption and acceptance of nootropics and in some ways biohacking in general. You can read a profile of me that is a snapshot from that time of my life in The Atlantic - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/10/the-brain-bro/497546/ And this is one of the last interviews I did on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwYfsknlWHI You can also find interviews from that time in GQ, Men's Health, ABC Nightline News, NPR, The Guardian, among others. You can see the most accurate definition of nootropics at https://Nootroo.com

MeditationBattleLeague.com - "head-to-head" competitive meditation with EEG headsets.

*This is a personal account and posts here are opinions and do not represent the views of my company/orgs unless otherwise stated.*

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matznerd··on Notes from Elon Musk and Diamandis Carbon Removal xPrize Launch Interview
From what I wrote on the Airminers slack: "I made this summary to share on the interview between Musk and Diamandis on the Carbon Remoal XPRIZE etc. I put a lot of direct timestamped linked to their discussion because there is a lot of other info, including some great Musk "tangents" on SpaceX, tunnels, and his reasons for wanting to expand the "scale and scope of consciousness to better understand the questions to ask about the answers that is the universe..."

You can tell him and Diamandis are good friends and have so much they want to talk about etc, but they mostly stay on topic of the contest.

The major takeaways are: -4 categories: DAC, oceans, land, and rocks.

-Seems that they are going to be pretty flexible in categories and expanding where needed (comments open until mid-May).

-Seems like they mostly want "people [to] have a good time" and that "some productive stuff comes out of it."

-Scalability to gigatonne is key: "unless the cost is affordable, it is not scalable."

-Contest is pretty wide open, any one of any age can join, whether established already or unestablished concepts/teams.

-After some time, likely within the year, they will give $1m to at least the top 15 teams as seed money.

-Then over the 4 years they will have to demonstrate something like 1000/tonnes per year of capture or Elon suggested maybe 100 tonne/month.

-2nd, 3rd, 4th place share approx $20m

-Winner gets $50m of "free money"/"non-dilutive capital"

matznerd··on The human brain grew as a result of the extinction of large animals: new paper
You are on the target. Fish contain high levels of the fatty acid DHA. DHA is the main limiting factor on the growth of the brain, and needed exogenously (AA needed too, but can be converted internally). Humans cannot easily get access to DHA from things like grass. That’s why large herbivores grow in bodymass, but their brain size (encephalizatiom quotient) stays low. Dolphins, who eat primarily fish, have a much more similar brain to us, and one of the highest encephalization quotients...

Due to changes in geography in Africa, proto-humans found themselves along the shorelines with ample supples of fish for the first time. They ate more DHA, which lead to the growth in brain cells (brains are built of these fatty acids). This extra brain power, through the process known as exaptation (the lesser known evolutionary concept to survival of the fittest), is what is theorized to have then opened the door the human creativity, symbols, language, etc.

Basically, our bigger brains were caused by an increase in the previously limiting nutrient, which was then put to to use for advanced traits, not the other way around as this article purports....

That is a TL;DR as don’t have time to write it all out, but have written and presented on this topic...

https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Human+Brain+Evolution%3A+The+Inf...

Edit: this abstract below has a good summary, and book above is great compilation of papers on the topic.

“The circumstances of human brain evolution are of central importance to accounting for human origins, yet are still poorly understood. Human evolution is usually portrayed as having occurred in a hot, dry climate in East Africa where the earliest human ancestors became bipedal and evolved tool-making skills and language while struggling to survive in a wooded or savannah environment. At least three points need to be recognised when constructing concepts of human brain evolution : (1) The human brain cannot develop normally without a reliable supply of several nutrients, notably docosahexaenoic acid, iodine and iron. (2) At term, the human fetus has about 13 % of body weight as fat, a key form of energy insurance supporting brain development that is not found in other primates. (3) The genome of humans and chimpanzees is <1 % different, so if they both evolved in essentially the same habitat, how did the human brain become so much larger, and how was its present-day nutritional vulnerability circumvented during 5-6 million years of hominid evolution ? The abundant presence of fish bones and shellfish remains in many African hominid fossil sites dating to 2 million years ago implies human ancestors commonly inhabited the shores, but this point is usually overlooked in conceptualizing how the human brain evolved. Shellfish, fish and shore-based animals and plants are the richest dietary sources of the key nutrients needed by the brain. Whether on the shores of lakes, marshes, rivers or the sea, the consumption of most shore-based foods requires no specialized skills or tools. The presence of key brain nutrients and a rich energy supply in shore-based foods would have provided the essential metabolic and nutritional support needed to gradually expand the hominid brain. Abundant availability of these foods also provided the time needed to develop and refine proto-human attributes that subsequently formed the basis of language, culture, tool making and hunting. The presence of body fat in human babies appears to be the product of a long period of sedentary, shore-based existence by the line of hominids destined to become humans, and became the unique solution to insuring a back-up fuel supply for the expanding hominid brain. Hence, survival of the fattest (babies) was the key to human brain evolution.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16828044/

matznerd··on All about Woad
Is there some reason I am missing that this is on the front page?
matznerd··on Google Acquires North
The screen was meh, but I thought the real innovation was that it was controlled by a ring worn on the pointer finger that was manipulated with the thumb. Aesthetically, it looked fairly normal, but it had a joystick on it to control the screen [1]. With iterations it could have been something that blended in as jewelry, yet was useful for interfacing. The real innovation was that you didn't have to raise your hand to your temple to manipulate it or use voice commands.

I think a big issue with wearable computers will be input devices. I have trained with the 1-handed chorded keyboards, such as the twiddler, and am up to 30 wpm, but its not easy and I don't think people will be willing to make that kind of adjustment. Even so, you still have to then constantly carry the input device around and have it in your hand. A "hands free" input device like the ring, or an improved Myo style band, will still be needed for any wearable that is used in a non-private setting, where voice commands are not ideal (unless its a throat mic).

[1] Pic of ring controller via gizmodo https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dimse/5845cadfecd996e0372f/94746...

matznerd··on Google Acquires North
I used it for presentations and liked it conceptually because you would be able to advance the slides with the flick of a wrist and without having to hold a clicker. The problem was that it would always unlock from hand gestures and the software was glitchy. Still, it had a lot of potential.
matznerd··on Deep Decarbonization: A Realistic Way Forward on Climate Change
Hi Jeff, Project Vesta is making great progress building out our scientific team and deployment plan! We have an update coming out very soon, our last poster in December was featured in the SF Chronicle under the titled "Could putting pebbles on beaches help solve climate change?" -> https://www.sfchronicle.com/environment/article/Could-puttin...
matznerd··on Kids are swapping AirPods and using text-to-speech to talk secretly in class
Someone should make an app for this and it could be done way better. Here are is how I would do it so its better and fits in the use case.

1. More realistic and even custom sounding text-to-voice API such as amazon polly or - https://aws.amazon.com/polly/ (this one uses polly https://www.text2voice.org/) or google wave net https://cloud.google.com/text-to-speech/pricing

2. Then, and this is where you can get creative, is to mask the app so its UI looks like something that is allowed in a classroom i.e. dictionary, wikipedia, ebook reading, audible, spreadsheets etc. Also, make sure to name your app something innocuous.

See these examples of Reddit masked as Microsoft Outlook: http://pcottle.github.io/MSOutlookit/ Reddit as word -> http://pcottle.github.io/MSWorddit/ Reddit as code -> http://codereddit.com/ Reddit as unix shell -> https://redditshell.com/

Also, allowing the app to recognize which companion you are voice to texting (with the earpods still paired with original phone), then the app can use logic to know when one person is "speaking" and hold off on speaking a message until your companions message is over, otherwise there is potential for overlapping cross-talk (also have quick-cancel/pause speaking).

Other obvious features would be to clear spoken texts from the input box and maybe even keep recently typed/spoken words as in a "recently used" area to minimize new full-text input being required. And if partner's app is doing the text-to-voice, it would already have the conversational nouns and details. Anything to minimize typing input, etc.

If someone builds this lmk :)

matznerd··on The Future Is Grim
I'm not sure he completely undermines himself. Yes, we are definitely growing more birds for food and he could have made that relationship more clear, but at the same time, there is simultaneously a bird "extinction" event going on that also results in an increase in the percentage of birds that are for poultry use.

I'm not sure if you've seen this, but based on an extensive report examining 140 million records of birds, the Oct 2019 paper in Science, "Decline of the North American Avifauna"[0] determined that there are now 3 billion fewer birds in the US since the 1970s:

>"Using multiple and independent monitoring networks, we report population losses across much of the North American avifauna over 48 years, including once-common species and from most biomes. Integration of range-wide population trajectories and size estimates indicates a net loss approaching 3 billion birds, or 29% of 1970 abundance. A continent-wide weather radar network also reveals a similarly steep decline in biomass passage of migrating birds over a recent 10-year period. This loss of bird abundance signals an urgent need to address threats to avert future avifaunal collapse and associated loss of ecosystem integrity, function, and services.

This paper also spurred some articles that discuss the issue such as "Birds are Vanishing From North America" in the NYT [1] and "The Quiet Disappearance of Birds in North America [2]

Then a week after that paper came out, the Audubon Society released a report "Survival by Degrees" [3][4][5] saying 2/3rd of birds are at risk of extinction from climate change alone if global warming hits 5.4 deg F by 2100.

So while the author could have been more clear, the fact is, the evidence is clear that bird populations are rapidly declining due to climate change and the latest reports warn that we must take steps to "avert future avifaunal collapse."

[0] https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6461/120 [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/science/bird-populations-... [2] https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/09/america-... [3] https://www.audubon.org/climate/survivalbydegrees [4] https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/798652v1 [5] https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/798694v1

matznerd··on The Future Is Grim
I am personally more of an optimist, but I originally saw this post on r/collapse and then on r/bestof and now its made it to my FB feed via this Medium post. I care more about people understanding what a dire situation we are in so that we can take action ASAP. there are also a number of good links in here, whether or not you agree that we are locked into this future. It will definitely take a concerted effort from society to make sure the future is not grim.
matznerd··on Decrement carbon: Stripe's negative emissions commitment
That would be great, I'll be in touch.
matznerd··on Decrement carbon: Stripe's negative emissions commitment
Major respect to Stripe for starting this program, as this helps solve a real problem in the carbon dioxide removal (CDR) field. At Project Vesta (thanks for the shoutout[1]), while we have a plan for individuals to pay for their CO2 removal by donating directly for a specific tonnage of olivine to be placed on a beach in their name, all of the investors/fund advisors who have approached us and are interested in getting into the CDR field, have generally been limited in that they can only make investments into an organization if there is a way to get a financial return. They can't put money in non-profits, even to potentially help "save the world," as they are still operating with a fiduciary responsibility and for-profit motives. If no one is paying for carbon removal, there is no business. For scientists and others trying to create carbon removal solutions, this represents a major problem, as no matter how good or cheap their CDR technique is, they also have to come up with a market of who will buy their CDR "product."

So even though many groups/companies want to get involved in CDR, if there is no market for paying for "CDR as a product," investors will not put money in. Having Stripe and other companies guarantee payment for carbon dioxide removal would actually make a real difference in helping to spur the CDR market. Companies would be able to point at who will buy their "product" and at what price, and then investors would be able to invest.

Creating a carbon price is the most obvious and simple solution to make the "free market" solve a problem created by the inefficiency of the "free market" in the first place, of not pricing in the real world cost of the externalities from each tonne of CO2 released. The emitters should have to pay because each tonne of carbon put out into the atmosphere causes economic damage in terms of health effects and more. Some 30,000 people die prematurely in the US each year due to air pollution, yet most emitters do not pay these costs[2].

This is termed the "social cost of carbon" (SCC) and based on estimates from the U.S. governmental Interagency Working Group in 2013, each 1 metric ton of CO2 released is said to have an SCC of around $37 (2007 USD).[3] So even though there is a consensus among most scientists and economists that there should be a carbon price, and companies technically owe around $37/tonne, no one is sure when it will occur or at what price it will be at. This uncertainty and lack of a large scale market is what prevents major private investments into large scale carbon dioxide removal (CDR) technologies.

It is particularly frustrating because if the free market was truly rational, polluters would be paying for the externalities on their CO2 emissions, and the CDR field would blossom. By creating a market themselves and also offering to pay at a range of prices (even though there may be cheaper options available), Stripe can help foster CDR companies when they are most vulnerable, helping them breakthrough their technological learning curves and achieve scale. At the very least, just keeping companies subsidized and advancing technologically until the world corrects this economic error, is a worthy cause.

Having a guaranteed CO2 removal price would allow these companies to just focus on their technology and not have to individually force the global economic system to price carbon, in order to be viable. So again, great job Stripe in starting this, and to other companies/organizations, please start similar initiatives.

[1] "Interesting ideas include crushing rock with natural forces" [https://ProjectVesta.org]

[2] https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/23/health/air-pollution-us-death...

[3] https://www.edf.org/sites/default/files/expertconsensusrepor...

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
Hi HN, I am Eric Matzner, the Co-Founder of Project Vesta and I have been responding to all of the questions on this thread and will continue to answer them, but I just wanted to say thank you for all of the interest. When YC posted their Carbon Removal Technologies Requests for Startups page[1] about 8 months ago, I responded to a comment on the post where @btilly[2] mentioned one of the research papers that our project is based on.[3] We were in stealth mode back then, as I was still putting the project together, but the positive response there helped energize and inform our operations, so thank all of you for that as well. I do not personally know the person who posted this today either, but thank you for posting it (although we were not prepared for this amount of inbound interest today). Please note that we will get back to everyone who submitted our "Get Involved" form over the next couple of days. Thank you to all who donated as well for your support, the HN community has been very generous and we appreciate your enthusiasm and support for the project.

I can also give you a project update that we have not announced anywhere else as of yet. After our launch on Earth Day in April, we received an individual contribution/grant that has given us enough funding to take significant steps forward towards getting our pilot project on a beach. It has greatly accelerated our progress and we are now moving more rapidly to make this a reality. We are engaged with the Dutch independent institute for applied research in water and the subsurface, Deltares[4], to help us design the pilot project experiment.

Project Vesta is a non-profit, globally decentralized entity and we are looking for additional partner universities, groups, and others to team up with. We are looking for input on our experimental design from researchers, engineers, and experts in the fields related to this project (such as geochemistry and the marine sciences). The design of the experiment is crucial and has to be rigorous in terms of calculating the accelerated weathering rate of olivine in the open system of a beach and in terms of demonstrating marine safety so that the results will be accepted as definitive by the scientific community and the public.

Our greatest fear right now is that we will spend a year running a study and then when the results come back, the data will not be accepted for one reason or another and we are asked to go back to get more data. We and the planet frankly do not have the time to wait another year, so we want to make sure we do it right the first time around and have the right stakeholders involved before it is deployed. To make sure it is done properly, we want to run the experimental design by as many relevant parties as possible so that when the data comes back we have an accepted consensus that is irrefutable in terms of the weathering rate and safety data, so we can move forward with deployment.

If you want to join our scientific advisory board or just help give input on our experimental design, please reach out on our Get Involved [5] page -> https://projectvesta.org/get-involved/

We are also looking for additional donors/family offices/etc and partners who want to sidestep the climate change debate and move forward on taking direct action to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. While we are proponents of cutting emissions and agree it needs to be done, we want to get started removing as much CO2 from the atmosphere as we can until we are back down to Pre-Industrial CO2 levels. We believe that by making extremely effective, permanent, and cheap CO2 removal available, we can dramatically change the conversation and force action. Please reach out if you would like to help.

Thank you,

Eric

p.s. If you want to learn a bit more about the process and our organization, check out this interview with me on the Nori podcast [6] -> https://nori.com/podcasts/carbon-removal-newsroom/project-ve...

We are just launching our social profiles, but feel free to follow us for updates: Twitter -> https://twitter.com/Project_Vesta Instagram -> https://instagram.com/projectvesta FB page -> https://www.facebook.com/ProjectVestaCO2Removal/

[1] http://carbon.ycombinator.com/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18285606 [3] https://projectvesta.org/science/#dflip-df_77/1/ [4] https://www.deltares.nl/en/ [5] https://projectvesta.org/get-involved/ [6] https://nori.com/podcasts/carbon-removal-newsroom/project-ve...

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
How do we deal with 10-12 feet of global sea level rise nearly instantaneously? There is a single glacier called in an Antarctica called Thwaites which is also known as the "cork" on an Antarctic sea that, if it melts or comes unstuck, could cause that much sea level rise that quickly.

"Thwaites is like a cork in a wine bottle—when it melts, it could trigger the collapse of a large portion of West Antarctica, equal to roughly 11 feet of global sea rise." ... "Winds are now pushing a layer of warm ocean water up underneath part of the glacier that extends out into the sea and melting it, faster and faster. If that part breaks off, the entire glacier would destabilize."

https://www.wired.com/story/antarctica-thwaites-glacier-brea... https://interactive.pri.org/2019/05/antarctica/thwaites-glac... https://interactive.pri.org/2019/05/antarctica/doomed-glacie...

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
When 1 tonne of olivine weathers, the chemical reaction removes 1.25 tonnes of free CO2 from the environment in terms of stoichiometry. However, in the process of mining, milling, and transporting that olivine to that beach, we emit approximately .05 tonnes of CO2 ourselves. That .05 of a tonne is 4% of the 1.25 tonnes of CO2 that was removed in the weathering process. So, in a CO2 life cycle assesment of net emissions, that considered the "loss."
matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
Thank you for the feedback, you are right on the mark, as this is our plan once we have our first Impact Beach in operation. The plan is to sell a piece of jewelry for $XX-$XXX and then charge $25 per month, which is about the cost of 1 tonne of olivine. That 1 tonne of olivine placed in the person's name, will remove 1.25 tonnes of CO2 from the atmopshere/ocean, which is approximately equivalent to a US person's monthly CO2 footprint (1.245 t / month or 14.95 t /year)[1]

[1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/chart-of-the-day-thes...

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
We are not pitching this as "THE" solution, but as "a" solution that can scale up to and beyond the global level of yearly CO2 emissions. Even after the "low-hanging opportunities" it makes a good amount of sense, as mining olivine is not difficult and there are large reserves on every continent.

You are incorrect that olivine mining at a large scale would incur tremendous energy costs, it will not. I would suggest you check out this model of a 5,000 tonne per day open pit mining for porphyritic rock. (This model also includes 5,000 tonnes per day of "waste" rock which will likely not be wasted in our use case) http://costs.infomine.com/costdatacenter/miningcostmodel.asp...

In this model, which is not in any way optimized for environmental efficiency, it requires a diesel fuel quantity of around 4,751 liters/day to mine the 5,000 tonnes. At 2.68 kg of CO2 per 1 liter of diesel, that generates 12,732.68 kg of CO2 per day. That 12,732.68 kg = 12.73268 tonnes of CO2. The 5,000 tonnes of olivine mined will eventually weather and sequester 6,250 tonnes of CO2 (1 tonne of olivine sequesters 1.25 tonnes of CO2), for a net capture of 6,237 tons at the mine.

We have life cycle assessment that calculates the CO2 penalty and loss on efficiency, including milling and transport to locations less than 300 km (186 mi) at around a 4% loss [1].

Just for your information and for others, from a financial perspective the mining in that model costs $7.32 per ton, and then the transport and milling/crushing only costs about $3 per ton, so olivine could be transported to a beach at around $10/ton, with the price per ton of CO2 sequestered at less than $10.

You are also incorrect regarding the mining impact. The mining of things like shale requires fracking and the injection of sand and chemicals, our mining is simply open pit. Essentially, you open a pit on the surface and simply dig it up. As mentioned above, it is not all that energy intensive either.

For global CO2 level removal in terms of mining, it would likely require 30-50 mines in the wet tropics, preferably at a level of greater than 100 million tons/year (due to economies of scale).[2] There are large reserves on every continent and plenty near coastlines[3]. If you wanted to open fewer mines, you could theoretically find a few large reserves. For example, there is an open pit mine in Bingham Canyon that has an excavated volume of over 25 km^3, which would be the equivalent of 2-3 years worth of the volume of material needed.

Don't worry about this idea getting "tossed out with the bathwater," if anything we will actually be removing CO2 from the bathwater and de-acidifying it at the same time ;)

[1] Environmental Life Cycle Assement of CO2 Sequestration Through Enhanced Weathering of Olivine https://projectvesta.org/science/#dflip-df_978/1/ [2] https://projectvesta.org/science/#dflip-df_77/9/ [3] https://projectvesta.org/science/#dflip-df_90/25/

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
In terms of fossil fuel volume in oil equivalents, we are at a yearly level greater than 10 km^3...

In terms of construction materials, these 2009 calculations give 2005 numbers of over 60 Gt...

Growth in global materials use, GDP and population during the 20th century - http://www.vegetal-e.com/fichiers/2009-krausmann-al_14696916...

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
Yes, I was just quickly paraphrasing the major takeaways on the impact of sand and its importance in our lives from the excellent book I referenced, The World in a Grain. Here is an excerpt for you and any others interested:

"He rummages through his knapsack, then pulls out a plastic sandwich bag full of white powder. “I hope we don’t get arrested,” he says. “Someone might get the wrong idea.” ... But it’s the mineral in Glover’s bag—snowy white grains, soft as powdered sugar—that is by far the most important these days. It’s quartz, but not just any quartz. Spruce Pine, it turns out, is the source of the purest natural quartz—a species of pristine sand—ever found on Earth. This ultra‑elite deposit of silicon dioxide particles plays a key role in manufacturing the silicon used to make computer chips. In fact, there’s an excellent chance the chip that makes your laptop or cell phone work was made using sand from this obscure Appalachian backwater. “It’s a billion‑dollar industry here,” Glover says with a hooting laugh. “Can’t tell by driving through here. You’d never know it.” ... Most of the world’s sand grains are composed of quartz, which is a form of silicon dioxide, also known as silica. High‑purity silicon dioxide particles are the essential raw materials from which we make computer chips, fiber‑optic cables, and other high‑tech hardware—the physical components on which the virtual world runs. The quantity of quartz used for these products is minuscule compared to the mountains of it used for concrete or land reclamation. But its impact is immeasurable."

https://www.wired.com/story/book-excerpt-science-of-ultra-pu...

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
This process is typically referred to in the scientific literature as "enhanced" weathering but we think that "accelerated" weathering is easier for lay people to understand.

Drawdown is mostly focused on things we can change in our current activity to lower emissions and less about methods for Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR). Their top solution for becoming carbon neutral is "Refrigerant Management"...

I like the concept of the project and know some people working in the org, but in my opinion, they do not give enhanced/accelerated weathering enough credit as a potential solution, even though it can scale all the way up to global CO2 level emission removal. Many of the other solutions they suggest are limited in potential, yet featured prominently... I am working to communicate this to them.

https://www.drawdown.org/solutions/coming-attractions/enhanc...

https://www.drawdown.org/solutions-summary-by-rank

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
Our goal is not to cover up existing tourist beaches. You would be surprised how much coastline around the world is undeveloped and not even accessible by roads etc, those beaches are likely to be the places where we go first.

That said, we believe that green sand beaches will become their own tourist attractions as the naturally occurring ones, such as Papakolea in Hawaii, are (which is the beach pictured on our site). They are beautiful and we are considering ways we could create ecotourism hubs for climate change education etc.

Because most rivers are now damned and sediment flows impeded, many beaches in developed areas are eroding away with no sources of replenishment. Beach replenishment/nourishment is a huge industry and there are not only sand shortages, but even sand mafias who steal sand. So as resorts have to replace their sand, in the future, they might consider creating olivine sand beaches.

We have had early interest from a few parties who own resorts with rocky beaches and would consider replacing their beach with green sand, but at this time, that is not our focus.

We are focused right now on getting a pilot project deployed that can definitively and irrefutably prove the minimum accelerated olivine weathering rate on a real-world, high-energy tropical beach.

The questions of ecotourism and specific beaches is what we will be dealing with as we move to Phase II-III. See an outline of our deployment plan here -> https://projectvesta.org/plan/

[1] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/06/insid... [2] https://smile.amazon.com/World-Grain-Story-Transformed-Civil...

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
Hi, yes the beaches would still be good for recreation and there should not be a noticeable muddying of the water. The existing beaches of olivine (such as Papakolea Beach in Hawaii that is pictured on our website) are safe and have no observed negative effects on wildlife or humans.

If you look at the tabletop shaker experiments on the website, the water is cloudy because it is not being refreshed. In an open-system such as on a beach with water constantly refreshing, that would not be an issue.

The olivine can be placed on any shoreline or coastal area. The "tropical shelf-sea beach" set up we constantly refer to is simply the optimal and preferential solution. The main effects we are utilizing the beach for are that (1) the tumbling motion of the waves causes a constant abrasion that breaks up a silica coating that rapidly forms on exposed olivine and (2) the collision of grains on the shoreline causes smaller slivers to chip off, that themselves rapidly weather.

We want shelf-seas because the grains will be pulled off the beach and will continue to be weathered through underwater shear stress forces on the sea bed. Other locations work as well, but the olivine may take longer to weather if there is less motion, colder water, etc.

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
That is not meant to be "hand wavy," as there is no "hand-wavy" way to gloss over the fact that humans are putting out massive amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year. It is now on the order of over 45,000,000,000 tonnes (45 Gt) yearly, meaning we need at least 36 Gt of olivine to offset it. That is no small amount of rock and we do not plan to start at that level. The reason we mention those numbers is to let you know that it is more than possible to acquire that much material each year, as we are doing it for multiple other industries each year.

Olivine mining is open-pit near the surface and is neither labor nor energy intensive. Based on current olivine (dunite) mining in Norway, where they mined 3.4 million tonnes of dunite with only 141 employees[1], it can be extrapolated that the 36 GT of olivine needed could be mined by less than 1.5 million people working at the same capacity globally.

To put that in perspective for you, the Chinese coal market employeed 5.29 million people in 2013, and based on a 2017 report, they are trying to remove 2.3 million people from the industry[2]. So there are plenty of people who could do this, it is about creating the demand for the mineral.

There are many developing countries around the world lacking other valuable exports, yet that have olivine reserves, and we look at helping them create "green" jobs as a potential benefit.

[1] Mineral Resources Norway: The Norwegian Mining and Quarrying Industry in 2004 [pdf] https://www.ngu.no/FileArchive/227/2005_042.pdf [2] https://www.chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/9967-2-...

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
Yes, we plan to not only run tests on every source before placing the olivine on beaches, but to carry out on-going monitoring with sensors. We are looking for experts in this area (and many others) to help design processes to make sure the olivine weathering is purely beneficial to the marine ecosystem (i.e. deacidification, increasing calcium carbonate levels, and boosting diatoms). You seem passionate about this, if you or someone you know can help us with this please sign up here -> https://projectvesta.org/get-involved/
matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
Hi, if you'd like to donate at this point please check out https://projectvesta.org/donate where we currently have our "Grain of Hope" necklace available. It is a single grain of olivine, suspended in a sand timer vial, to symbolize that although time is ticking, it is not too late to stop (and reverse) the damage.

Since we do not have a beach yet where we can place olivine, we were originally not planning to offer the additional jewelry yet. That said, we are seeing demand for additional pieces at this point, so as long as people are clear that we don't have our $25 spent -> 1 ton of olivine on the beach process going yet, and that the donation is going to fund operations and to get our pilot project onto the beach, we will be happy to put them up. For now, I have removed the Cart from the menu, which I am guessing allowed you to work your way to the empty shop :)

And also you are right on target about the beaches and influencers. While we will be working on a top-down policy level with government and other groups to deploy the beaches, the plan is to simultaneously work from the bottom up to create a global movement of people who want to take action on climate change through influencers and ambassadors visiting the beach and also wearing the jewelry to spread the message.

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
We will be testing the sources of olivine for nickel, and as posted upstream, we have potential solutions for phytomining the olivine reserves for nickel with nickel hyper-accumulating plants, and then burning plants, retrieving the nickel ore and using the proceeds it to further fund operations...
matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
We are aware of potential issues with nickel contamination in olivine and will be testing/monitoring for it. Nickel is found in formations of olivine where nickel replaces some of the magnesium ions in their crystal lattices, however, if we do have a large reserve with high content of nickel, we have a technique available to plant nickel hyperaccumulating plants above the crushed olivine to phytomine the nickel content. It is then possible to put the plants in a furnace and get 10% ore back, which we would then sell and use to further fund operations...

"In simple laboratory tests small nickel ingots were produced from the plant ashes. Sowing these plants on appropriate soils and harvesting them at the end of the growing season makes for an environmentally friendly way of recovering nickel. Because these plants extract nickel from the olivine lattice, for every ton of nickel in the plants 330 tons of olivine must weather, equivalent to a capture of 400 tons of CO 2 . Weathering proceeds faster under vegetation. The introduction of this method could revolutionize the nickel mining industry."

See page 8-9 of the Green Cookery Book here for more in-depth information on the technique: https://projectvesta.org/science/#dflip-df_103/9/ Or see this paper specifically on the topic: Schuiling, R.D. (2013) Farming nickel from non-ore deposits, combined with CO2 sequestration.

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
Yes, olivine is highly abundant, but due to lack of demand, most of it is currently staying underground. We seek to change that.

We are looking for synergies like that, such as covering eroding beaches, breakwaters, etc with olivine.

If you are interested in sand in construction and otherwise, I highly suggest you check out the book The World in a Grain.

The importance of sand in our everyday life blew my mind. I mean the device you are using right now to access this website, has a processor made out of silicon sand, the screen is made of quartz sand. The building you are in is likely made of aggregate sand, and the road to get to your house etc. But also, don't forget that sand was used to make the lenses for reading that made possible for our older academics, extra decades of research and enabled us to carry out astronomy and to create microscopes...

Sand has shaped the world in such a massive way, and we are hoping it can save us from our CO2 problems as well.

https://smile.amazon.com/World-Grain-Story-Transformed-Civil...

matznerd··on Project Vesta – Mitigating climate change with green sand beaches
Hi, co-founder of Project Vesta here. Based on a CO2 life cycle assessment, to minimize CO2 created during transport, the idea is to utilize mines within 300 km (186 mi) of the destination beach. Including mining, milling, and transport, we can hopefully maintain only a 4% efficiency loss in terms of CO2.[1]

This paper has a few examples of models where it is 93% efficient for mines within 1,000 km. [2]

Fortunately, there are olivine reserves found all over the planet in a formation called dunite (contains 90% forsterite olivine).

Further, for many of the first beaches, we will be looking to use tailings piles (waste rock) from previously dug and developed mines, as well as the infrastructure from those mines, such as rail for transport. Since olivine is found in volcanic rock formations close to the surface, in the process of mining other minerals that are found in volcanic formations such as diamonds, many tons of olivine rock have already been dug up and deposited in large piles on the surface. By utilizing this rock we would not produce any additional CO2 from mining, and only from crushing/transport.

We are definitely taking the CO2 penalty into account in our calculations and strategy for deployment.

[1] https://projectvesta.org/science/#dflip-df_978/1/ [2] https://projectvesta.org/science/#dflip-df_93/2/

matznerd··on A once abandoned drug compound shows an ability to rebuild organs
Yes there is some oral bioavailability, but for non-stomach the standard BPC-157 is not optimal. SubQ injections closest to the site of injury are preferred.

And what the bodybuilders are doing is useful because they find the effective human range for healthy adults. Obviously when it comes to growing muscle etc, it is usually the higher ends, but on the same forums are more modest users.

Most molecules are designed for people with diseases or disorders. For example, some of the SARMS were created to combat muscle wasting disorder for post-chemotherapy patients (cachexia). And before they got to cancer patients there are Phase I trials in healthy people, but they are not trying to actively gain healthy tissue with exercise. They are just taking it for safety/pharmacokinetics.

So when healthy bodybuilders/biohackers take these molecules while working out and eating right, we can see the true potential of whether or not the molecule is effective. One of the molecules was considered a failure because it could not overcome the effects of the radiation enough. The patients grew pounds of muscle, but it was not enough compared to the fact that their muscle is wasting away from chemotherapy. It is more germane to me whether it can work on a healthy person optimizing its effects/dosing/timing, what you call "confounding variables."

The bodybuilders are helping us explore these molecules and many times doing it in an open source, collaborative way. They will have blood work done and post it before and after the run. The community evaluates their bloodwork and can validate whether it worked, if the source was good etc. It's pretty impressive real-time, science experiments. And if you hang around and read all the science and see enough of those n=1 studies, the patterns and consensus that emerge are pretty clear.

And going full circle, it is helpful beyond the bodybuilders because when I go over to the longevity forums and what not, I see the older people whose bodies are wasting away naturally (sarcopenia) looking to do something closer to the original investigation of the molecule. They will usually do what is on the lower range of what the bodybuilders do.

So those older people are benefiting from the experiments and commercial availability of the more experimental and risk-taking bodybuilders. However, you'd be surprised because some of the people who are rapidly declining in physical and mental health have a similar risk profile of a bodybuilder who only cares about next month's competition.

matznerd··on A once abandoned drug compound shows an ability to rebuild organs
Nice find! Looks like they are exploring it for its copper chelating properties, specifically for use with Wilson's Disease (where copper accumulates).

The study you link further addresses the issue with a molecule being "undruggable" because it is not orally bioavailable:

"One of the major challenges faced by PTP1B-based drug discovery efforts has been to generate orally bioavailable inhibitors of the phosphatase. In fact, the lack of oral bioavailability of active site-directed PTP inhibitors was a major factor in industry describing these enzymes as “undruggable.” Our efforts with this class of allosteric inhibitors now provide proof of concept that these challenges associated with active site-directed inhibitors of PTP1B can be overcome...The combination of PTP1B inhibition and copper chelation presented in DPM-1001 reflects a new approach to the treatment of diabetes and obesity that we hope will re-invigorate drug development efforts in this area."

To me, it looks like they will still not utilize the full potential of the drug. But whatever can get DPM-1001 into production, I am for. (Group buy/synthesis anyone? ;)) It looks like their secondary observations of regeneration/restoration might be closer to the true potential for this molecule:

"In studying mice, DPM-1001 reduced liver complications, including enlarged cell size, irregular shape and arrangement in liver tissue."

https://www.cshl.edu/progress-toward-improved-wilsons-diseas...

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