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Gutenberg converts tasks that used to take 2-3 clicks into 10-20 click tasks, or even worse makes them impossible altogether.

What is with catering to the worst and most clueless users only? We need more than that. We deserve more than that. Gutenberg is disastrous for anyone with an IQ above that of a carrot.

But are there any real alternatives?

I confirmed that the issue still exists by installing Mojave beta. The fonts looks terrible -- very thin and blurry.

You might not need it. I do.

I hope it is a bug. If the weight were the same, it'd at least perhaps be tolerable on a Retina screen. I know the technical reasons, but I just don't understand why Apple can't leave it alone for desktop systems.

Those screenshots were both in Waterfox. I also tried in Safari (didn't take any shots, though) and the fonts looked identically bad in that browser as well.

The normal UI's fonts are also worse -- about the same as the browser screenshots. Fonts are indistinct and blurry, and very light. All the result of greyscale aliasing only, I presume.

Screenshots available below. This is the only screenshot I took beforehand, so sorry it has some cursing in it:

http://www.technologyasnature.com/screenshot-comparison

I know Mojave doesn't ship with subpixel anti-aliasing. That is my whole complaint.

My point was if that box is checked in Mojave (that is, greyscale anti-aliasing is on) the fonts still look atrocious. Sorry if that was not clear.

Thanks for that detailed response. I last used Linux full-time as my main machine in 2009 or so. It has indeed been a while. Good to know that it has improved since that time.

In other news, how is Linux's sub-pixel anti-aliasing lately? I haven't used it in years, and never on a 4K or above display.

Since I will now be switching off Mac, Linux is looking likely again. It will probably be two 27" 4K monitors.

Greyscale anti-aliasing is far inferior to sub-pixel. The fonts look much worse.

BTW, I did install Mojave beta and the fonts look just terrible even on a Retina display. Shockingly bad. I can't believe Apple is doing this. I just bought a new 5K iMac a few months ago. I wish it were still in the return period...but in other news, I am now selling all of my Apple equipment as it's pointless to have it. Without the great fonts I purchased it for, it's so much junk to me.

Mojave beta installed, and the fonts look equally atrocious. They are blurry, indistinct...and just bad. One of the reasons I bought a 5K iMac (three of them, actually) was to have great fonts. I am beyond angry that I will now have to sell them.

I installed Mojave beta on my MacBook Pro. It is the same thing. The fonts look identical to toggling off the setting "Use LCD font smoothing when available" in High Sierra. And by the same thing, I mean they look very bad in Mojave.

I just installed the Mojave beta on my Macbook Pro. The fonts are just as blurry as if I toggle off "Use LCD font smoothing when available" in High Sierra.

So the contention that it won't be the same in Mojave is disproven. Even on Retina displays, disabling sub-pixel anti-aliasing leads to blurry, indistinct fonts.

Downloading the beta now, but have seen screenshots of both (here and elsewhere).

Thanks. The fonts are noticeably blurrier/less defined in the Mojave capture.

You can simulate this by going to System Preferences-->General-->Use LCD Font Smoothing When Available and unchecking it.

It also makes Retina-class devices look far worse. The fonts on my 5K iMac became much less readable after this change.

It does affect Retina devices. That's the whole point. I made the same change that Apple is going to make and the fonts looked far worse (almost unreadable). You can observe the same if you have an Apple device by going to: System Preferences-->General-->Use LCD Font Smoothing When Available.

Apple is removing sub-pixel anti-aliasing for all devices, not just non-Retina ones.

Signed up for HN (again) just to vent about this terrible news. This is a change that will be hard for me to live with, and I will probably end up selling all my Apple gear.

This is the same change/downgrade that occurs if you go to System Preferences-->General-->Use LCD Font Smoothing When Available.

I did this and the fonts on my 5K iMac display looked horrible. Just atrocious. My plan is to not upgrade to Mojave, and then within a year or so sell all my Apple gear and move back to Linux.

I don't understand Apple's thinking, but I believe a lot of people will do the same.