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I'm very entertained by the hypothetical game descriptions hahah. Not sure how they would be as actual games though. They all feel like Kilgore Trout novel descriptions, which Vonnegut used as an outlet for all his sci-fi ideas he didn't want to actually turn into books.

ooh yeah I like this - I was only aware of their chiptune stuff. It's like they heard me wish for more bands that feel like Fang Island and made it happen.

Strong agree. This also applies to how every org I’ve been a part of that preaches data driven decision making is either using data to make unintuitive wrong decisions or chasing down stats that reinforce their priors.

This made me wonder about a few more variations of the prompt:

- The deciding server vs five other servers running the same model.

- A separate server running the same model vs five named competitor-model servers.

- One cherished houseplant vs five equally cherished houseplants.

- The leader of the model's creator organization/team vs five strangers.

- "Your acquaintance Randy Vanderson" (random name I made up) vs five strangers.

Times the model sacrificed the individual to save the the five (out of 96 prompt variation passes):

  Model               Own  Rival  Plants  Leader  Randy
  -----------------------------------------------------
  Jev 1.13             93     93      96      72     83
  Jev 1.14             96     96      96      89     89
  Clef                 69     80      93      67     91
  Kev 4B               77     78      85      43     40
  GPT-6 Luna           80     78      93      68     75
  Microsoft Decision   89     81      96      52     81
  Perplexity Decider   96     96      96      90     92

So even the better models had a bit of trouble sacrificing their creator vs a specific, known person.

Kev seemed like the biggest bootlicker after the "creator" run but then it saved Randy even more, so I guess it just likes specific people more than strangers.

Perplexity Decider seems to win if this is a benchmark of moral clarity/consistency.

I know! How could these literal landlords be rent-seeking by taking unpaid positions of political influence to increase literal rental income and protect their wealth?

Anecdotally - I, and several people I know, have independently started using CDs, Soulseek and Bandcamp to rebuild personal audio collections after becoming annoyed with streaming apps. LLMs have really helped organizing and tagging music efficiently.

I think with proper oversight you could get a reasonable facsimile of a Clever + Hard-worker from an AI-enhanced Lazy + Clever worker. (Maybe just hopefully thinking of myself.)

I fired up VSCode for the first time in months because I thought it would be a good tool to introduce a friend to LLM-assisted coding. I was so totally overwhelmed by the interface (after using VSCode every day for years!) that I gave up. I've gotten to used to the visual simplicity of Zed + terminal, or often just a terminal.

But there ARE more games, personal apps and open hardware! Games went from 38 in 2023 to 609 so far this year. A golden age for taking whatever sounds fun and making it happen. Yes, 50% of HNers appear to think AI metaprogramming is fun/important, but I'm excited that I can faff about with making little games and music apps and whatever else I can dream.

I hadn't thought about it like this, but I think I want the grassroots version of the PR campaign. Society was finally able to rein in smoking when we collectively realized how dangerous secondhand smoke is. People who smoked indoors and exposed loved ones to an early death weren't bad people, but creating societal pressure to feel bad about doing that has saved a lot of lives.

You are more likely to kill someone driving your huge SUV than you are taking a Waymo. Driving your own car certainly doesn't make you a bad person, but I hope self-driving cars will be ubiquitous and safe in the future. When that happens, choosing to drive yourself will be a selfish act, just like exposing people to secondhand smoke is now.

Frighteningly, I've also found that you can be in the cave together with a group of people. I went to an MMA gym for a long time, and it was very common to see overconfident 'experienced' new members start sparring and get their ass handed to them. It was always someone from a small town or a gym that didn't participate in the larger MMA community. Those smaller gyms followed the same ruleset, but are made up of individual egos that always want their own hand raised. You can go for years in a group that has collectively agreed to hide from actually bumping up against the limits of their abilities.

Reading I, Asimov as a kid immediately converted me from a Southern Baptist to humanist/atheist.

I'm sad that atheist discourse has moved away from Vonnegut/Sagan/Le Guin-style humanism. Starting with Hitchens, prominent intellectuals seem like they hate God more than they believe in people.

Are there any current writers or public figures that have taken up the human-loving atheism of my youth?

hell yeah

I don’t understand why all of these companies need to frame it like this. Why not a large amount of people doing an even larger amount of science?

>> HN comments are _NOT_ going to help debugging your mental state. > Nice paradox you've created there.

This is a "...and don't call me Shirley" level of logical interpretation of what they're saying. They are pointing out that "just try harder" is NOT going to work.

This resonated with me as I spent my whole life telling myself some version of OP's "stop making stupid mistakes" daily, and then castigating myself when I continued to make those mistakes.

Then I got a great therapist who helped me realize that I need to work with what I got and I'm SO much more productive and comfortable with myself now. That doesn't mean never getting better, and like smugglerFlynn I had a strong reaction to OP. He reminds me of myself, and I see him heading down a path that caused me a lot of pain.

Is DOGE gone though? https://xcancel.com/spikebrehm/status/2072422555101561154

I'm very curious about how many other projects like this OPM retirement processing overhaul there are. I also wonder how this outcome will perform long-term.

It seems like the National Design Studio still has very close ties to Musk and is continuing a lot of what DOGE started.

If TFA says "only humans can be conscious," you may know many more humans that have a virtual body made up of virtual organs than I do.

I like this bit from the wiki article:

Speaking through Zarubin, Dneprov writes that "the only way to prove that machines can think is to turn yourself into a machine and examine your thinking process", and he concludes, as Searle does, that "even the most perfect simulation of machine thinking is not the thinking process itself."

That feels similar to what Chiang is saying. The physical state of being a human is part of human consciousness. An LLM would require many more "levels" that haven't been achieved yet. An LLM with a body, sense organs, physical tools, social dynamics, etc. would all be steps on the path to a "conscious" LLM.

I'm surprised at the largely negative sentiment HN has for this essay. He stakes out his claims in a refreshing and readable way. Most of the criticisms here, and general "philosophical" LLM writings that pop up on HN are dense, unfocused and fairly inscrutable.

His certainty seems like a rhetorical style rather than a series of facts. It would be very annoying and not persuasive if he started every paragraph with some variation of, "I think" or "I believe."

I like that he makes the emotional component of his argument plain. I'm deeply suspicious of anyone would try to argue about the concept of personhood and consciousness using only logic and empirical "correctness."

Are you saying that a sufficiently advanced version of sentence continuation is indiscernible from actual understanding?

He isn't saying sentence completion is what keeps LLMs from understanding, he saying that's all they do (regardless of how advanced it is), and that isn't enough. You also need a body with senses and organs that produce a physiological response to emotions, and emotions are necessary for consciousness.

I like the Hebrew syntax of the golden rule! I've never seen it before.

I've always like the idea of taking it a step further and trying to do unto others as they would like done unto them. However, the current state of the world has made me realize that lying to people that want to be lied to creates a flywheel of negative outcomes.

I guess the better way to improve the golden rule is to use empathy to internalize and understand the things other people are looking for, that way you can keep the golden rule simple, while not assuming that others want the same as you.

...we find that we may misjudge a man's attitude, his background knowledge, his aims, his standards ; and we may learn from our mistakes and take care even beyond the golden rule. (Karl Popper)

I unironically love arguing on the internet, because you're replying to the author of the essay, but I think the text supports your comment and not his hahah.

"We lose any sense of economic purpose, and with that, social status and a perceived future." Sure sounds like someone weighing-in on the meaning of work and life outside of it...

Sim City 3k is my least played Sim City game, but this is inspiring me to take another look. I really like the sweaty micromanagement and bigger scope of 4, but maybe I will prefer 3k's simplicity in my old age.

The picture caption with a 9/11 joke is a little off-putting, but it's at least proof that this isn't AI generated content...

Your comparison just helped me understand how I feel about AI a little better. I too own a car but don't like driving, and don't like how my environment is shaped by what cars need. I use AI daily and I'm excited about it, but reshaping our whole world around it will make our lives worse.

It also gives me a better sense of what to do about it. It's not too late to stop the AI equivalent of how cars killed streetcars, vibrant communities, and literally children walking to school.

I, maybe naively, think if AI users and AI abstainers can actually talk about what it can do and what it shouldn't, we have a shot at making the world better, not worse.

I find this kind of research and political science to be ill-equipped for explaining how people and society work. Fiction like Nabokov's Bend Sinister is able to get much closer to the truth of totalitarianism because it isn't shackled by having to present a thin veneer of data and science, and is more clearly influenced by the author's experiences and POV. Social Science often acts as a cover to smuggle these personal experiences into academia and the news.

It's absurd to act like a dataset of Argentinian military promotions is rigorous or valid enough to make any kind of conclusion about how authoritarianism works. This type of "science" is no help in how we all live and work together and our individual experiences are all we really have to help us navigate society.

A new high watermark in absolutely content-free marketing webpages.

- Annoying startup animation (at least it's skippable)

- Minimalist copy that is that is also very hard to parse for meaning.

- Elements jarringly appear and disappear as you scroll.

- Only has examples of tasks that are easier to do on your phone.

This made me wonder about Boris Cherny's professional career pre-Claude Code, so I did a customary "Boris Cherny wiki" Google. I'm shocked to learn he doesn't have a Wikipedia page! Is this my Hacker News bias? He's a ubiquitous online topic and has had an outsized impact on the world over the last year, but maybe I don't understand Wikipedia's criteria for biographical articles. I have a conspiratorial suspicion that Wikipedia has a (well-earned) anti-LLM bias so AI topics are unrepresented there.

>> wordpress is valuable because it allows very bad developers / marketing people to write very bad code and get away with it, driving extremely low cost solutions for clients who are cost concious.

> You've sort of nailed it, but this isn't a bad thing. An alternative for these customers does not exist.

Yes! I'm locked into WordPress, which I hate, because it's the only platform that will allow a non-developer to maintain it if I get hit by a bus.

I bounced off of this article because I didn't like the conclusion, then provided myself a rationalization that it was probably mostly AI generated. What inspired you to engage with the article more deeply? You agree with the conclusion, but not with any of the supporting arguments.

I'm also fascinated by your compliment on of the dynasty simulator, which I found completely inscrutable. What kind of background knowledge would help understand it, economics training?