thescrewdriver

> I wouldn't be surprised if Clojure has more "industry" adoption than Scala at this point.

I would be very surprised if that was the case, based on what I've seen.

That's 510 million kilometers for the rest of the world.

Somehow reminds me of the Microsoft/Novell agreement, will wait to see how it turns out...

A summary of the new features: http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/whatsnew/

They should just include the Scala plugin by default. It's the most popular plugin by a very wide margin.

The reason they dropped CLR support was because there was virtually no interest in it.

C# seems to look more like Scala with every release (a good thing), with talk of primary constructors for C# and string interpolation etc.

EDIT: Interesting to see Neal Gafter is involved (See Roslyn mention here: http://www.gafter.com/~neal/), who is rather fond of Scala from what I've read: http://www.infoq.com/articles/neal-gafter-on-java

It installed fine for me. Get the latest download here: https://unity3d.com/unity/download

Perhaps you were installing an older version?

Visual Studio doesn't seem to install correctly on my Ubuntu box.

Since when did only non-obvious improvements get patented?

Perhaps you could elaborate on how naming a random language relates to this discussion...

Scala for the Impatient is really good, but not sure that it's designed entirely for beginners.

For more beginner-centric content perhaps check out:

Learning Scala:

http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920030287.do

http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000001798/index.ht...

...or Atomic Scala:

http://www.atomicscala.com/

Scala does take more work to learn than Java, but I never choose Java over Scala for a new project. Scala is just so much more modern and expressive.

You can write perfectly readable Scala. It just takes some taste and common sense, or alternatively follow guidelines such as: http://twitter.github.io/effectivescala/

We've found IntellJ + Scala to be an excellent combo for our purposes.

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referential_transparency_%28com...

The bleeding edge fork/branch isn't all that interesting to those of us using Scala in production, but it might be useful for experimentation.

In theory yes. In practice 99.99% of mainstream Java developers will run their code on Oracle's JVM.

It isn't too tricky finding places use Scala. Most of my dev work is done in Scala.

If you want something to make the front page best not to post it during US night-time.

> Nothing pollutes java source more than getters and setters. I can't believe this still isn't being address.

We ran out of patience and switched to Scala. Never been happier :)

We've been using Scala for a while now. It's a major step-up from Java in terms of sheer programming enjoyment (contrary to what the criticism parrots who don't actually use it would have you believe). Java is still very widely used, but most don't use it by choice anymore but rather because it's the default or what the existing code is written in. Go is a non-starter for us due to a lack of support for existing Java libs, and isn't all that interesting compared to the alternatives.

IAI refuting the claims here: http://www.jpost.com/Defense/IAI-refutes-claim-that-Iron-Dom...

I know him as the guy who advocated the even wider use of factories...

There doesn't seem to be much demand or interest for that overall. They recently discontinued the .NET support. Almost everyone was using it on the JVM. Any specific reason why you'd need CLR instead of the JVM?

Summary:

Scala 2.12: Focus on leveraging JDK8 features and interop

Scala next: Collections framework simplification

Scala next next: Language improvements

I've been using Java for about 15 years and largely agree with the article. The verbosity of the Java language is definitely part of the problem, although that aspect is downplayed in his blog post. I agree with the author about the culture. Java programmers in general seem to be on some sort of design pattern frenzy, especially in the better known frameworks. It doesn't matter if you're writing a fancy framework or writing a trivial app to process a file, chances are you're going to see layer upon layer of over-engineering.

I switched to Scala a couple of years back and have never been happier. Only part of the improvement is due to the language the other part is not having to deal with Spring, builder patterns, and madness like AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean [1]. My impression has been that the typical Scala developer has had lots of Java exposure and has learned from their experiences.

[1] http://docs.spring.io/spring/docs/2.5.x/api/org/springframew...

Why mod someone down for asking about a generational GC?

> You're saying that lawyers and politicians provide little or no value to others?

Looking at the state of many governments around the world he's probably being kind in his characterization.

From the site: Version: 0.8.11

I'm curious how a vague cheerleading-your-favourite-technology comment became the most upvoted in this discussion.

> I'm sorry that you've been brainwashed, but you're the warmongers here, not the oppressed Palestinians.

Of course Hamas is a completely innocent, never having murdered anyone ever... You're so busy pointing fingers at one side that you're blinded to the faults of the other...