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> driving the value of human labour as close to zero as possible

Tech and automation exists to drive the marginal cost of labor toward zero. It's just happening faster now.

> (your labour included)

Right, it's disrupting you now instead of just dumb people.

> Would this be impressive in terms of convincing you to buy something or teach you something or entertain you?

Obviously yes. I mean have you seen what entertains us? And have you seen what a TV ad looks like? It's not a high bar and this is way above it.

Btw your comment is anti-ai slop. Slinging mud with no real criticism or even a personal observation to be found.

Maybe Oracle is running Genie 10

The context here is the same: using AI to optimize a job or task.

And yes, I read it and I stand by what I said. From TFA:

When I go to a new restaurant and see an AI-generated menu, I’m disappointed. When I see an AI-generated flyer for an event, I’m annoyed and much less likely to go.

To me this is silly. The event is the draw, not the way the flyer was created or the amount of effort that went in to it.

The hypocrisy here is off the charts.

Most people in this thread probably use AI all day to do their job for them. But god forbid a haunted house not hand-craft their flyers.

How about we let this part time business focus on entertaining it's visitors rather than wasting time virtue signaling to hypocrites.

> It would basically be writing down the same - easy to understand logic

Perhaps this is a sign that this function isn't necessary.

> Most of the time clients don't know what they really want

I know this happens but it shouldn't. If the client doesn't know what they want then they shouldn't be wasting money on developers.

> outside of our bubble the quality of software is pretty bad

It's pretty bad inside the bubble too.

You may have lost track of the context of this thread. Anyway have a good one.

> make this thingy run on our test thingy

You're still thinking like a dev following traditional dev processes.

More like: "Claude do X".

> deploy to dev

You're thinking like a developer that needs to build and deploy software for other people to use, rather than as a user that wants to do something.

> the fact that everything else is automated is irrelevant

It is relevant because you're the one that wrote the script to automate it.

Sure, it works for you. But it doesn't work for everyone else, which I think was the other person's ideal when they said:

Imagine just dropping .md files to your server and having a working website

They didn't literally mean your server.

> cron that runs the shell script

So then you don't just drop a .md file.

> If you don't understand grief

This is not what I said and you're being rude. I'm saying that I don't understand the grief being expressed for the loss of a hobby. Because as I explained, computers can't invalidate hobbies.

> Sounds like I got suckered into arguing with an AI yet again.

Nope. I'm a human and didn't use AI for anything I wrote. But thanks?

No, it doesn't work, because both analogies (basketball and chess) are entertainment/games. Magnus isn't being paid to produce the best possible chess moves, he's being paid to be the best human chess player and beat other humans. A basketball player is similar. So the act of playing chess, and the act of playing basketball, is what provides the (entertainment) value.

A computer programmer, on the other hand, is paid to produce something. They aren't entertaining anyone (except themselves). The act of producing code doesn't matter to the person that wants a binary. The binary is what matters. So if a computer can out-program a human, then the human is in trouble. So it's different.

But, nothing is stopping a human from programming for entertainment purposes. And nothing is stopping humans from being entertained by watching other humans program, maybe competitively. Like chess, or basketball. Or from getting together and solving programming problems. Then it doesn't matter that a computer can run circles around them, and nobody can tell them to stop doing it.

I get it, though. Younger people in tech should be worried.

But I don't really understand the "grief" by people who say they're losing their hobbies. Like the top comment in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50158159

Computers can destroy Magnus. Yet he still plays and nobody gets to tell him or anyone else they have to stop.

If people stop being interested in human-played chess, then yes he's out of luck. But that could happen with or without computers. Same for football and anything else.

So I don't think this analogy works either.

Considering how punishing a football career is, that sounds like a good deal.

Look at Andrew Luck.

> They’re saying the problem is that programming doesn’t result in bringing people together.

Why can't it?

People get together to do a ton of "worthless" things together for no good reason other than for the enjoyment of it. Like chess, basketball, book clubs, board games, video games, popdarts, etc.

> We were always replacing ourselves: Every "reusable" function or class or library you ever wrote represents lines of code won't get paid to write again

In theory, but not in practice. Instead, somehow we ended up writing essentially the same app over and and over, usually without reusing libs. You know because this time we'll use vue, or svelte, or phoenix, or htmx, or go, because this time we actually know what we're doing. so gotta start from the ground up and figure out how to store a row in a db as if we haven't done the same thing a million times before.

And that all under one roof. Now multiple that by thousands of roofs.

At least the devs were having fun and making good money writing all that code.

Right, but that's not what you said.

> Those countries are actively engaged in wars

So is the US.

> Trump is currently in the phase where he is desperately trying to build a legacy

He probably knows he'll be quickly forgotten once people wake up and stop giving him oxygen. And how sad is it that he still has to work overtime at his age.

I probably didn't phrase that well. I meant that garage woodworking is not necessary, in an economic sense. It's an optional/leisure activity.

And people still do it anyway. Which is great. Because it's still useful, and valuable. Just not necessary.

If you like sawing wood and gluing it together, just keep doing that.

If you want a wooden dresser, buy one.

Nobody does woodworking because it's necessary.

> she thought all music was just magically created when you ask Alexa for it

This is becoming more and more true.

This seems complex and expensive, and I suppose the only reason to do this is because you want to generate code faster? Do you really have so much code to write that a single LLM is too slow?

And then on top of that you need another agent to manage merging all of the subagent code together?

Are they also telling each other what to do? Because I for one can't assign and keep track of 10 things at once.

Right, and I suspect many people on here and elsewhere that want gambling banned don't want alcohol banned and can come up with several convenient reasons why not.

But imo the real reason is that they enjoy alcohol and don't enjoy gambling.

I wasn't talking about age limits. I meant that someone can drink themselves literally to death with nothing stopping them. It is way more dangerous than gambling.

You exaggerated by implying all gamblers are out of control. If you only meant compulsive gamblers you could have said it.