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Please don't fulminate on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You/we have little idea how much effort went into the project or why there was a glitch on the production server at that time. The commenter’s story suggests they have been putting a lot of effort into learning skills and building their project for years. They didn’t name the site in their comment. They were making no claims about it being in production or bug-free. You hunted it from their profile then named it in the comment, apparently as a dunk. If you wanted to help them, you could have worded it much differently.

HN is for people who like to build things, and who like to support others who build things, and it’s not cool to sneer at others for mistakes or make dismissive assumptions about their effort.

We updated the main URL to this and added other related links to the thread's top text.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50186933 and marked it off topic.

Be kind. Don't be snarky.

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I updated the URL to https://www.vanityfair.com/story/jared-kushner-hacked-phone-....

The guidelines ask:

Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter.

Fixed now!

Edit: changed the URL to the original one, which is required according to the HN guidelines – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50212878

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Touché I guess, but…

> Seriously. How often do we get a story that intersects power generation and volcanos?

Exactly! But your comment and its lame subthread, which all had nothing to do with the article, sat at the top of the thread for hours, drowning out substantive comments that were relevant to the article.

I wouldn’t bother replying if it just slipped down the bottom of the thread. But keeping discussions high-quality and on-topic is my job here and that means reminding people to post thoughtful, substantive comments, not “whatever comes to mind, regardless of how it will come across”. We especially need longer term/more prominent users to set the example, please.

If you’d written that (or, a version of that) as your initial comment, it would have been much better :)

A one line comment that contains the phrases “no small amount of satisfaction and schadenfreude” and "shilled by the usual 'Apple supremacist' suspects” has a sneery, snarly energy to it that’s clearly outside what the guidelines are asking of us.

> Now I'm curious what nerve I hit

It’s nothing to do with hitting a nerve (and really, the suggestion has a touch of pathologizing about it). This is bog standard moderation of the kind we‘ve done routinely for many years.

This site exists for curious conversation and substantive discussion of topics. Schadenfreude, which literally means taking pleasure in others' misfortune, is never what we want here. It's fine to criticize things. We just need you to do it thoughtfully and congenially.

Please avoid generic tangents and swipes on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> I feel no small amount of satisfaction and schadenfreude

Please don't fulminate or sneer (or whatever else this is) on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something much better than this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please don't use HN primarily for promotion of your own work. The guidelines cover this https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Stop acting like an asshole to people on HN. These comments are absolutely not cool here. We've had to ask you before to observe the guidelines, and these comments in this thread are worse than ever. If you keep up this kind of activity, we'll have to ban the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sure, and there's a place for discussion about that (though whether HN can host such a discussion without it spiraling into a hellish flamewar is not something we can be confident about).

That aside, in this context the issue is that the comment very much didn't set aside the politics and the personalities.

Since you seem to have no interest in using HN as intended, we've banned the account.

Please stop acting like a jerk, thanks. There’s nothing new or clever about people playing games with words or logic to make the case that the guidelines should be reinterpreted or changed to allow the thing they want.

Off-topic tangents and political/ideological battle are always forum-killers. HN is only here after two decades because we work so hard to avoid it.

If you have an actual new idea on how to make HN more interesting, you’re welcome to share it. Otherwise, please stop wasting everyone’s time.

The article is about the use of a drone to evacuate an injured soldier from a battlefield. It’s not an article about geopolitics, and if it was, it would definitely not belong on the front page, because the guidelines clearly state that mainstream news is usually off topic here.

> Have the curiosity to be serious.

Excuse me. This site and its guidelines have existed in a largely constant form for almost two decades and your account is a couple of months old. Of course we welcome new participants here, but this is only a place where people want to come to discuss important topics because we have guidelines and uphold them daily. Please respect the guidelines and the community expectations if you want to participate here.

That’s an issue that can be debated at the appropriate time and place, but it’s not the topic of this article, so it’s a generic tangent and flamebait, which the guidelines specifically ask us to avoid.

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Please don't post political/ideological rhetoric on HN. It doesn't matter how correct your position is or how correct you feel it is; it only leads to back and forth arguments between people on opposing sides, and that's just what we're trying to avoid. Please aim for curious conversation at all times here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50156201 and marked it off topic.

Please don't engage in political/ideological battle or post flamebait on HN, no matter what it's about. We're here for curious conversation, not belligerence, and the guidelines clearly ask:

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Also: this comment from a few days ago was also clearly out of line, as it crosses well into personal attack: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50063828

Please take a moment to read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them at all times here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Appreciated!

Stop trying to deflect from your own appalling conduct. It’s nothing to do with being triggered or defending particular individuals or dying on hills. These are all tropes to make it seem like it has some grand significance. This is bog standard, mundane moderation. If someone attacked you like this here, I’d stand up against it just as staunchly. I fact I’d probably ban them instantly, without warning. I have a job to do and that job is to uphold the guidelines, which are intended to maintain basic standards. If you’re not willing to hold yourself to basic standards, you don’t belong here. Big tech CEOs aren’t reading your garbage but fellow community members are, and you owe it to them to either contribute things that are worth reading, or to keep quiet.

People who care about contributing earnestly include links when they want to cite examples of other bad comments. Stop playing puerile games and stop acting like a jerk. This site is for thoughtful people who have things of substance to contribute. The guidelines clearly ask everyone to avoid sneering, swipes, political/ideological battle and flamebait.

And honestly, if you care about addressing serious problems in the world, there are countless more effective ways to do it than this. Posting this kind of trash is just a waste of everyone’s time, yours most of all.

As I said, it doesn’t matter if you or anyone thinks he “deserves” anything. That’s completely irrelevant. What matters is the standard we have for the kind of discussion that belongs here. The only reason this place exists for you to post this garbage is that other people make the effort to raise the standards. If that’s not something you’re willing to do, find some place else that’s more welcoming of this kind of thing.