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zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
(1) Nope, it's always the same input token cost

(2-3) No, but that's kind of a sick cook ... Want to get access and try it? nathan@typesafe.ai

zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
> I assume this isn't really for consumers/individuals currently?

Unless they're hackers, no. It's not really a chat interface, it's meant for consumption by machines and composing into higher level systems (pairs great with LLMs).

> Is there somewhere to read more about that? I assume customers would just have some tests or talk to you.

We're going to release some more info on evaluations over time, and yeah, join the waitlist! We offer faster access in exchange for good memes

zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
Yeah that's precisely correct.

For e.g. classification tasks, even in 2026 people are doing things like hallucinating deliberately, and then matching the hallucinations to embeddings -

https://softwaredoug.com/blog/2026/08/10/hypothetical-classi...

With TypeSafe it just picks the class (actually probabilities across classes), reliably every single time.

zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
It's pretty darn smart. If you did want to hack on it in earnest and find out for yourself, send me an email - nathan@typesafe.ai
zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
love it. send me an email and i'll try to get you moved up on the list? nathan@typesafe.ai
zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
Nothing, but imagine using LLMs for a classification task

People out there are so resigned to the models being unreliable that they are really doing things like hallucinating deliberately, and then matching the hallucinations to embeddings -

https://softwaredoug.com/blog/2026/08/10/hypothetical-classi...

You could do that or you could just... use a model that will never produce unreliable outputs in the first place.

zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
Not in the traditional sense of a coding agent, but we think there's a ton of opportunity in using it for context management ("do we _really_ need to pass all these tokens to the agent?"), semantic linting ("how does this score against this AGENTS.md: <...>"), etc.
zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
join the discord! we love forward thinkers
zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
That's kinda the goal. Imagine all the automation in the world being able to embed intelligence directly inside it - factories could route based on more complicated questions, hardware could anticipate your needs. Customer support could be done without humans 90% of the time.
zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
Yeah, it doesn't output strings, just decisions/answers.
zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
The model can't reason comprehensively (e.g., like Sol XHigh would to solve a complicated problem), but it's designed to be able to answer anything a human reasonably could quickly and intuitively, i.e., system one thinking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow
zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
It's a bit hastily put together, but I made a dspy fork where you can add a decorator to automatically use TypeSafe where possible on Signatures. It shows a fair bit of what actual, hands on usage looks like.

https://github.com/typesafeainate/dspy-typesafeify

zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
Strings trigger us
zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
It's very generalized. Can't wait until everyone can see it.
zenlikethat··on Introducing System One Models and Jev
> the model takes as input a state (structured text? not sure if multi-modal)

Input, and criteria/instructions can both be defined as structured input (JSON). This ends up being pretty powerful because the model is trained to understand structure.

e.g.: https://docs.typesafe.ai/primitives/advanced#structured-inst...

> not sure if multi-modal

just JSON... for now :)

> outputs the question's answers as appropriate

correct!

zenlikethat··on AI Angst
I found that bit slightly ironic because it always seems to produce slightly cringy Go code for me that might get the job done but skips over some of the usual design philosophies like use of interfaces, channels, and context. But for many parts, yeah, I’ve been very satisfied with Go code gen.
zenlikethat··on Bauplan – Git-for-data pipelines on object storage
The code you execute on your data currently runs in a per-customer AWS account managed by us. We leave the door open for BYOC based on the architecture we’ve designed, but due to lean startup life, that’s not an option yet. We’d definitely be down to chat about it
zenlikethat··on Bauplan – Git-for-data pipelines on object storage
Some similarities, but Bauplan offers:

1. Great Python support. Piping something from a structured data catalog into Python is trivial, and so is persisting results. With materialization, you never need to recompute something in Python twice if you don’t want to — you can store it in your data catalog forever.

Also, you can request anything Python package you want, and even have different Python versions and packages in different workflow steps.

2. Catalog integration. Safely make changes and run experiments in branches.

3. Efficient caching and data re-use. We do a ton of tricks behind to scenes to avoid recomputing or rescanning things that have already been done, and pass data between steps with Arrow zero copy tables. This means your DAGs run a lot faster because the amount of time spent shuffling bytes around is minimal.

zenlikethat··on Bauplan – Git-for-data pipelines on object storage
Yep, staying service.

RE: workflow orchestrators. You can use the Bauplan SDK to query, launch jobs and get results from within your existing platform, we don’t want to replace entirely if it’s doesn’t fit for you, just to augment.

RE: DuckDB and Polars. It literally uses DuckDB under the hood but with two huge upgrades: one, we plug into your data catalog for really efficient scanning even on massive data lake houses, before it hits the DuckDB step. Two, we do efficient data caching. Query results and intermediate scans and stuff can be reused across runs.

More details here: https://www.bauplanlabs.com/blog/blending-duckdb-and-iceberg...

As for Polars, you can use Polars itself within your Python models easily by specifying it in a pip decorator. We install all requested packages within Python modules.

zenlikethat··on Bauplan – Git-for-data pipelines on object storage
> or is this a platform that maybe runs on k8s and provides its own serverless compute resources?

This one, although it’s a custom orchestration system, not Kubernetes. (there are some similarities but our system is really optimized for data workloads)

We manage Iceberg for easy data versioning, take care of data caching and Python modules, etc., and you just write some Python and SQL and exec it over your data catalog without having to worry about Docker and all infra stuff.

I wrote a bit on what the efficient SQL half takes care of for you here: https://www.bauplanlabs.com/blog/blending-duckdb-and-iceberg...

> In the end I kind of understand it as similar to sqlmesh, but with a "BYO compute" approach? So where sqlmesh wants to run on a Data Warehouse platform that provides compute, and only really supports Iceberg via Trino, bauplan is focused solely on Iceberg and defining/providing your own compute resources?

Philosophically, yes. In practice so far we manage the machines in separate AWS accounts _for_ the customers, in a sort of hybrid approach, but the idea is not dissimilar.

> Should I understand therefore that this is only usable with an account from bauplanlabs.com ?

Yep. We’d help you get started and use our demo team. Send jacopo.tagliabue@bauplanlabs.com an email

RE: pricing. Good question. Early startup stage bespoke at the moment. Contact your friendly neighborhood Bauplan founder to learn more :)

zenlikethat··on No Calls
Nah, you definitely need calls. The idea that any product sells itself to the point that a venture backed startup needs is laughable. Lots of potential customers are clueless but excited and in order to book large contracts, you need someone to be a steward to work the contract through the byzantine maze of leadership and procurement.

Salespeople harangue you for calls because it's objective fact that it works to bring more dollars in, and the idea that they say some magic words and then the customer suddenly wants to buy is childish. They identify and address needs and pain points.

zenlikethat··on Build, ship and run containers is too slow for Python
I'll talk to the team about it, thanks
zenlikethat··on Round Rects Are Everywhere
That’s a great way to put it, ha ha. Toxic human, but hard to deny the results.
zenlikethat··on Fast Crimes at Lambda School
Give it another two years of high interest rates washing people out into non-tech sales, finance, trades, whatever... but there are plenty out there, the bros are just far louder.
zenlikethat··on Fast Crimes at Lambda School
Depends, I've come across plenty of people who act like what you say there, probably because it's a variant on the natural human tendency to cast blame on something besides ourselves, but... these days, things move so fast and we lean on so many amateur part-time projects, that bugs or shortcomings in the libraries etc. we use are not uncommon. The fine art is partially in knowing when it's extremely unlikely you hit a bug (gcc), vs. very likely (JS library with five stars on Github).

But more importantly, in digging in -- to me, that's a big part that's missing in leveling up the next generation -- like hey, there's a stack trace, let's go look at the lines of code in our source libraries and think about them instead of flailing around randomly like most people seem to.

zenlikethat··on Fast Crimes at Lambda School
I've been musing lately as well that a challenging part of the job is not just "coding", it's working with other software engineers. Each cat to herd has their own quirks, differences, stylistic choices etc. that sometimes make other cats cringe. I also think there's a big mental shift from "working harder == more output" that's very difficult for a lot of people to adapt to.
zenlikethat··on Perplexity AI is lying about their user agent
Yeah that's one of the best things about them for me. And then I go to the website and often it's some janky UI with content buried super deep. Or it's like Reddit and I immediately get slammed with login walls and a million annoying pop ups. So I'm quite grateful to have an ability to cut through the noise and non-consistency of the wild west web. I agree the idea that we're somewhat killing traffic to the organic web is kind of sad. But at the same time I still go to the source material a lot, and it enables me to bounce more easily when the website is a bit hostile.

I wonder if it would be slightly less sad if we all had our own decentralized crawlers that simply functioned as extensions of ourselves.

zenlikethat··on Ask HN: How much marijuana do you smoke/eat/vape?
If I want to be at top performance - none.

If I want to relax a bit, no more than 5mg of an edible. I've taken way more at various bits in life, letting it become waaay too much of a habit, and I think it causes little but trouble. It often resulted in a bad loop of increased tolerance, being really tired the next day, slamming caffeine to over-compensate, having more anxiety to deal with, repeat...

CBD, cliche as it is to say, is actually pretty underrated as an in-between. With 1mg THC, 20mg CBD, it's very soothing without being impairing.

I think with smoking and vaping it's exceedingly easy to consume way too much. I'd recommend not more than a couple puffs, to be honest. Weed is way too strong now. My kingdom for a return to the 60's situation of weak weed and strong acid.

zenlikethat··on Silicon Valley's best kept secret: Founder liquidity
But you can leave easily. and in 2024 I think people should insist on getting a decent salary (FAANG is impossible, but for most of the country, “even just” $170K is eye watering), and work life balance (sure, you will have to put in extra hours sometimes, but if it’s a 12 hours a day shop, don’t join). Founder should work a lot more aggressively, live a lot more spartan, and obviously is shackled to the damn thing with no optionality.
zenlikethat··on Silicon Valley's best kept secret: Founder liquidity
It’s literally the opposite to what you suggest. Someone who hasn’t eaten for days isn’t thinking about eating healthy when they walk by a McDonalds.
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