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$75k is not the median income for programmers. $75k is the median income for anyone in SF. Which is exactly my point. To expect engineers to live in SF, you have to be willing to pay exorbitant salaries just to break even. If you want to pay a good salary, you pretty much have to pay 6 figures. Don't like it? Move to Cleveland or Detroit. I'm pretty sure $75k would be considered a great salary there. Just don't complain that developers cost too much and then require them to live somewhere with such a high cost of living.
* Expect to earn the median income
* Expect to have a decent lifestyle.
* Expect to be able to have a family
Sounds like crappy employer entitlement to me.
That $130k starting salary you mention is enough for a person to afford a studio in the Tenderloin these days?
Not only is this an issue of residential codes. The other problem is that they're doing manufacturing in a residential neighborhood that's not zoned for manufacturing. And it's disturbing the neighbors in the area with noise and even sewage spillover.
But at the end of the day, software engineers are technologists. Our job is to create and consume technology. Being afraid of new technology is counter-productive.
"It happened on her watch."
> But I'm not sure that the current situation is a classic bubble because I'm not certain that most people have extravagant expectations.
Not to mention that Shiller scarcely mentions the tech industry. When he's asked what asset class is the most overvalued, he points to bonds.
I'm not certain I really agree with either end of the spectrum.
Hold on a sec. What exactly did this study do differently? If the previous studies showed one thing, why should we suddenly believe this study that says it's all false?
In all seriousness, when you figure it out, that's about $15/hr. I think a number of entrepreneurs would give their right arm to make that kind of money right at launch. And when you consider that he's probably going to be selling at least a few more copies of this, the money he'll make off of his time investment will grow.
In any event, I hope he didn't quit his day job to make a photo-blurring utility.
Even better is to convince them that what you're trying to tell them is really their idea. If it comes from them, it can't be wrong, can it?
Though if you find yourself working with enough of this type of person for it to be a problem, I would question whether you're working in the right place.