jamesladd

Hi There, I'm the creator and maintainer of Redline.st This project has stalled right now because of other commitments. However, should there be renewed interested I would continue its development. - James.

I ran the demo several times and I got a 1 second difference. I guess there is a place where even 1 second is important.

Hi there, I'm the creator of Redline and I very much want to complete it but other work and life items have got in the way. I hope to return to it just as soon as I can. - James.

>>there's not enough detail here to make me think he can actually pull off a 6 month development cycle of a new JVM based Smalltalk language

Redline Smalltalk runs today and compiles Smalltalk source into bytecode in Java Class format. The funding is to flesh out the runtime classes and tooling.

>>he's done a very poor job of convincing me to give him money I appreciate this feedback. Could you elaborate on what sort of things would convince you?

- James.

>>I assume this is no longer the case with this project? Correct. Redline Smalltalk does not require an image file. Your source is kept in files just like you would Python or Ruby source. - James.

I investigated RTalk with interest and exchanged a few emails with Mark Roos. RTalk is nice but has a different goal.

Redline wants to support you and your existing tool chains, editors and environments that exist around the JVM. We want the best of Smalltalk in that environment (Redline), not a Smalltalk environment (RTalk) on the JVM. A subtle but important difference.

- James.

Thank you everyone for contributing these comments.

Quote> If the Smalltalk community wants to remain small, insular and essentially irrelevant .... However, if they want to win people back, it would be a good idea to take stock of what the rest of the world is up to and consider adopting it rather than insulting it. <Quote

Well said. I DON'T want Smalltalk to be irrelevant and breaking out of the image and working with 'your' tool chain and being free is how Redline is taking stock of the rest of the world. You won't find us insulting other languages.

Please give Smalltalk a try, it is a fun language to develop in and the barriers to getting started are being smashed by Redline.

- James.

We (http://redline.st) asked them for Smalltalk support, and they provided good assistance in us making our own plugin. Maybe you can try that approach yourself?

There are other crowd funding platforms.

they do

I'm thinking that YC don't like incorporated companies where the IP is tied up in the trading company, rather than licensed to the trading company by the IP holding company. I could be wrong.

The times I have asked I have not received a response or the response I got was generic and dismissive, rather than helpful which is what I was hoping for.

I'm guessing the lack of a response is because:

1. They don't feel they have to justify their decision. 2. They don't want to get into a dispute/nit-pick. 3. They are just bad hirers and don't know how to provide adequate feedback. 4. They are trying to hire someone, not help people they are not hiring.

Conversely, when I have turned down an offer those companies have never asked me why.

- James.

off you go, waiting to hear your first idea.

Are you solving a very real problem and does the 'Social Platform' help do that? If not then don't bother with the Social Platform, in fact don't bother with the product at all. Solving a real problem is what matters. IMHO.

I have been using Maria on my production App for many months and it has made life easier. It is simple, tight and well written.

I use controllers to implement the strategy to be applied to user events, and this keeps my code focused (SRP/DRY).

I think removing the controller is a bad choice as it would require the view to know too much, and besides having the controller in the mix is made easy by Maria. Any time I have diverged from using the Controller the code started to deteriorate with views having to handle increasing responsibility.

Yes - MVC is part of a larger set of patterns and the thing I like most about Maria is that it focuses on being just MVC. Now I'm free to look for implementations of other patterns as I need them. Hopefully from Peter as well, as he really understands a pattern before he implements it.

- James.

oh! I wonder if it will be universally disliked as redesigns tend to be.

No.

It is a good idea, just can't believe some poeple need to be reminded to be decent. Maybe it's just Ruby people. I haven't see this required at other language conferences.

It isn't about the technology stack!

Great article. I have always been impressed by Oberon.

Anyone know how to get in contact with Michael Franz ?

Gosh Avi, you could have mentioned Redline Smalltalk http://redline.st

For people who cant live without files and their associated tools, AND they have to run on the JVM there is Redline Smalltalk. http://redline.st

Use the tools you are used to, use the language that is super productive and run the result on the JVM.

Anyone else wondering why it took so long to look below the surface?

Did you also check out the app, pretty proud of it.

glad these are helping people.

Not sure how that link helps, this one might: http://jamesladdcode.com/2011/10/14/playup-tips-for-ios-deve...

I think it is good and very telling that PG still codes. I wonder if he uses arc?

Im also trying to drum up a little financial support so I can present Redline at ESUG 2011: http://pledgie.com/campaigns/15176

Yeah - guides and books coming when the core Smalltalk compiler is complete - from source to bytecodes. The compiler grammar was just streamlined in the branch and will make trunk in next couple of days. There was a minor issue with backtracking which caused a big delay in parsing and now with the new grammar there is no backtracking at all. - Tight and Fast. Rgs, James.