shiranaihito

Are terrorists known for holding protests on London's streets where they shout they'll destroy Europe? No? What are those people then?

You call it scaremongering, I could call it trying to dislodge heads from asses, or just "trying to spread awareness" as I said earlier.

Well then, why did you insist that I should "support my whining"? I'm pretty sure my "whining" was just as not related to IE9 as it is now.

Besides, if you squint and look really hard, you'll notice my goal here was not really to discuss the finer points of IE 9. You've obviously got a problem with that, but how much would you surmise I care?

They are valid in a discussion about web development in general... except they are arguing against your citing 'netscape' and 'holding back web development' because this blog is about MS not holding back web development and not destroying a competing browser.

I take it that MS discussing IE 9 on a blog means that they actually never did any of the things I listed?

People in this page are saying bad things about Microsoft, about their javascript interpreter speed, their lack of canvas support and rounded corners and font handling and they aren't being voted down. Any guesses why?

Wouldn't this be related to "holding back web development"?

I am an MS apologist. I have worked with their stuff for the last six years and find it (mostly) better than I previously thought, and not deserving of quite as much of the mudslinging as actually happens online.

Glad you came clean. Even I realize that they've been working hard to improve the .NET platform. They have to, because their grip on the world is dependent on developers, developers, developers.. Did you see what they did to improve IE while they weren't worried? Oh that's right! -Nothing.

Don't know anything much about Islam and couldn't give two whoots.

See, now that's the exact same problem I'm trying to solve. You should know that there are people following a 1300-year-old sacred manual on how to behave that says "kill everyone who's not a muslim", and it's happening in 2000-fucking-9.

You don't see Christians going on Crusades anymore, but you do see enraged muslims shouting that they'll destroy Europe. And Europe's collective reaction? -To apologize, look away, and hope that they calm down.

I was just trying to spread awareness. It feels weird to even say that, but something has to be done. Of course, it could be argued that this is not the place for warning the world about the insanity that is Islam, but what is?

There's no forum in the world for talking about how dangerous Islam is, where people wouldn't already agree.

HN on the other hand, is full of intelligent people who certainly should be able to handle coming across material that is unpleasant to digest, and adjust their world views accordingly.

There really was some kind of protest full of enraged muslims in London, who were pretty much saying that they'll destroy Europe, and it sure wasn't the only enraged protest they've made. They really genuinely did kill a man for making a short movie that talked about Islam. Shouldn't this kind of stuff at least raise an eyebrow or two? Can you really dismiss all of this as Crazy Talk? Should you? Or should you maybe find out for yourself? Go on, confirm that I'm crazy. I dare you!

There's a blogger in Finland who's been talking about Islam & (muslim) immigrants for years, but only became famous last year when enough people noticed. He became the victim of a nation-wide witch-hunt lead by the local media, and eventually even got fined for something he said on his blog. You see, in Finland we have freedom of speech as long as we're careful not to say anything unpleasant. I was somewhat surprised he didn't get thrown in jail.

What the blogger has done requires giant balls of steel. What I'm doing here is the only thing I'm aware I can, however misplaced or aggravating it might be.

Also, "hitler".

I wonder if this will get me banned. I'm not trying to get banned, but it might happen. It'll be interesting to find out.

Content? I did mention a few examples, didn't I? Well then, would you care to tell me why they're all invalid? I've done this kind of thing before, and every time someone disparages MS here, he's treading on thin ice. There will always be MS-apologists around.

Microsoft have opened their internal development to the world over the past few years

They sure have made a show of being more "open" to please/distract programmers, that's all.

You can't just drop "Islam is a very real problem" into the middle of a rant about a software company and expect people to think you're not a nutter.

I realize this is something that people don't want to hear, and can't process without adjusting their conceptions of things, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Want some content? Here's a video of angry muslims in London: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoMeUcC_M20. One of the signs they're proudly displaying says "Europe, you will pay. Your annihilation is on its way!!!".

Does that sound a tad threatening to you? That protest is probably related to events in 2004, when they actually killed a Dutch film director, Theo Van Gogh, for releasing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tvH_uowO-0 .. Yes, they killed a man for making a short movie.

The average muslim you meet will most likely tell you that Islam is a "religion of peace", but what they don't mention is that if you say otherwise, they'll kill you. If it's such a mellow religion, why is there a protest full of its followers waving signs saying that they'll destroy Europe then?

Western people believe the line about a religion of peace because they want to, because we should all just get along and coexist in peace and harmony. That's just the humane way of life that we as Westerners are wired to like and want, but that's not what muslims have in mind.

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Quick! Someone call PG and get him to delete this thread so no one else will see what I'm saying here!

Do I get more denial-groupthink downvotes with this one?

OOXML & bribes, anyone? SCO? Patent threats? Netscape? Holding back the web for 10 years? Countless other acts of evil bullshit?

I guess this is the same kind of denial that makes HN throw a hissy-fit at trying to bring up the very real problem that is Islam (in Europe).

See no evil, hear no evil.. What a wonderful community of very intelligent people we have here, heads firmly lodged in their asses. Let's never talk about anything that really matters in the world.

Who knows, it might be a movie too! You certainly don't - you just like to download random stuff that looks vaguely familiar for some totally mysterious reason, hoping that you'll be entertained by it.

I don't understand how your train of thought arrived at that destination, but it must have gotten derailed somewhere along the way.

To process this, along with some other things in life, one needs to be able to adjust his worldviews, and to entertain the notion that perhaps whatever his current belief of something is might be wrong.

It just seemed to me that a forum with lots of really intelligent people might be able to handle this material in a reasonable way.

It may prove to be really freaking unfortunate if our only option is to just let Islam in Europe unfold.

After what you said, I'm surprised that you flagged this too. Is preventing discussion really the right choice here? It's cute how you already got an upvote for the word "flagged".

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And the thread is dead. The esteemed HN community did a nice job of self-censoring dissidence.

But most people finding this kind of material uncomfortable doesn't change the fact that it should be brought up more, to raise awareness. Things are different in some European countries, where muslim immigrants are most definitely a problem, but where the governments suppress all negative publicity about it.

You don't actually know anything about what's going on, obviously, so it would be a good idea to find out for yourself, and form your very own opinion about these things. Peace & Harmony is not the reality, it's what we as westerners are wired to want to believe.

By the way, censoring this submission from HN because of the content would be tantamount to what European governments are doing. Inconvenient truths should not be swept under the rug, they need more sunlight.

I'm pretty sure this qualifies.

> I suffer in the same way as I do when I witness incredibly stupid people on television, or very bad music, or indeed when I find myself buttonholed into a painfully tedious conversation with someone who is similarly lacking in good taste, be it social, intellectual, aesthetic or otherwise. I suffer and therefore I downvote, in an attempt to exorcise my pain.

Are you for real? I guess I should downvote you for deeply offending me by needing to get over yourself.

But I won't, because I agree with the OP.

Actually I think I've read something about the different levels of SSL. I suppose it's possible to somehow limit the available modes, to avoid exposing vulnerabilities.

an attacker only needs to find one screwy CA in order to pretend to be whoever he wants.

- What's a screwy CA, and how does the pretending work? .. If it's possible to describe roughly.

Because they don't know what you're currently earning, if you don't tell them.

I originally asked what's wrong with SSL, until I realized it's been replaced by TLS, so I guess there was something wrong with it.

But when you talked about the perils of relying on "SSL", did you mean precisely that, or is there a problem with TLS too?

Does it mean those women in Taiwan weren't empowered then? Besides, maybe that kind of thing is common in Taiwan, and nothing to get all worked up about (especially on the other side of the planet).

To the women, it was probably just a business transaction, and the geeks probably enjoyed it. No one got hurt or degraded.

You can choose specific files to commit or update in IDEA too, but I guess that's no good either if it doesn't happen exactly where you want it to.

Why do you want a visual merge even when there are no conflicts though? You could just edit out everything that shouldn't be committed, and then commit.

You have a three-column view with the local version on the left, the merge in the middle, and the changes on the server on the right.

Then you can pick and choose which changes to include and which ones to revert, and their locations are all marked with red and green colors on the sides (of the columns).

I assume that's what you meant, and I don't remember ever having to "opt in" for that functionality.

Btw, it's possible that the people on #java were all using Eclipse :)

And no, it's not just what people are used to. Earlier this year, me and another guy converted a few developers from Eclipse to IDEA and they were all really happy about discovering it.

Edit: In case it wasn't obvious, I meant an IDE that you're just used to using, and that you think it's perfectly alright because you're not aware of better options.

I've got some anecdotal evidence to support this, so if you disagree, let's hear yours.

Have you really tried IDEA, and did you really not think it was better than Eclipse?

It could be thought of as an indication that the employee in question is a dutiful little peon, which some bosses would probably like.

On the other hand, if someone tried to do this in Finland in July, when practically the whole country is on summer holiday and workplaces are very nearly totally empty, it might not work that well.