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>The success of GLP-1 is based on the fact that the patient can eat less without suffering.

Suffering comes not from "dieting" but from not knowing calorie math and using too big of a deficit!

Run too big of a deficit = become miserable = blame dieting and stop halfway. Simply pick a deficit you can continue for long; it's the solution! Average woman may have TDEE around 1800-2000, she can eat 1700-1600kcal comfortably.

You know that if i remove 150kcal from your diet, your wouldn't notice? that's like 2 slices of bread. So the hunger suppression will never be a question for vast majority of fat people

150kcal deficit over a year = 7.1kg or 15.6 lbs lost! and 300kcal = 31.2lbs or 14.2kg!! all this without any injection or drug without any exercise or severe loss of lean masss

Run too big of a deficit = become miserable = blame dieting and stop halfway. Simply pick a deficit you can continue for long; it's the solution!

Average woman may have TDEE around 1800-2000, she can eat 1700-1600kcal comfortably.

You know that if i remove 150kcal from your diet, your wouldn't notice? that's like 2 slices of bread. So the hunger suppression will never be a question for vast majority of fat people

150kcal deficit over a year = 7.1kg or 15.6 lbs lost! and 300kcal = 31.2lbs or 14.2kg!! all this without any injection or drug without any exercise or severe loss of lean masss

People know X matters, Y matters, and Z matters, but they do not know how much X matters in relation to Y and Z.

Similarly, a calorie deficit is the biggest driver, and it dwarfs all these other factors you listed.

Most people lack patience and can't reason well about calories, weight movement, and water weight fluctuations.

A deficit so small that most users won't even know that they are at deficit!

You know that if i remove 150kcal from your diet, your wouldn't notice? that's like 2 slices of bread. So the hunger suppression will never be a question for vast majority of fat people

150kcal deficit over a year = 7.1kg or 15.6 lbs lost! and 300kcal = 31.2lbs or 14.2kg!! all this without any injection or drug without any exercise or severe loss of lean masss

When people say, "Dieting doesn't work," they almost never describe their dieting approach. How can all dieting be the same? In the majority of cases, people crash diet; they run an 800–1,000 kcal deficit, lose some weight early on, experience hair shedding and anxiety, weakness etc..., become irritable and miserable, and give up after a few weeks or a month or two. Then they blame dieting. They don't say, "My dieting approach failed," but "Dieting doesn't work." It's like scoring 10/100 on a math exam and saying, "Math doesn't work." Brother what? Everyday math is being by people with lot of success. Dieting is being used by MMA pros for weight cuts, natural bodybuillders, actors, models, 100s of thousands of ordinary people on fitness subs like r/caloriedefict r/naturalbodybuilding r/CICO

Very few people accept that maybe there is a flaw in their dieting. There are experienced people who study this stuff for years; how can I, as a newbie, learn all this in a short period of time, fail, and claim that dieting doesn't work?

This isn't true once you've achieved your target weight through a calorie deficit.

Deficit and hence suffering no longer applies; you continue eating at maintenance, which is very comfortable.

When people say, "Dieting doesn't work," they almost never describe their dieting approach. How can all dieting be the same? In the majority of cases, people crash diet; they run an 800–1,000 kcal deficit, lose some weight early on, experience hair shedding and anxiety, weakness etc..., become irritable and miserable, and give up after a few weeks or a month or two. Then they blame dieting.

They don't say, "My dieting approach failed," but "Dieting doesn't work." It's like scoring 10/100 on a math exam and saying, "Math doesn't work." Brother what? Everyday math is being by people with lot of success. Dieting is being used by MMA pros for weight cuts, natural bodybuillders, actors, models, 100s of thousands of ordinary people on fitness subs like r/caloriedefict r/naturalbodybuilding r/CICO

Very few people accept that maybe there is a flaw in their dieting. There are experienced people who study this stuff for years; how can I, as a newbie, learn all this in a short period of time, fail, and claim that dieting doesn't work?

In reality, though,

Crashing intakes tend to be self-regulating; you cannot really eat very little food for long periods without suffering.

GLP-1s make it very easy to crash your intake by simply injecting a higher dose, so the "negative effects" of crash dieting are easier acquire on GLP-1s for vast majority of population.

>Many here have expressed skepticism at GLP1s because they don't require the personal discipline

Personal discipline required for sustainable dieting is overblown.

People mostly crash diet in the name of dieting, then suffer and blame this suffering on "dieting."

Proper dieting is rare.

Even the weight loss studies which people often quote on how dieting/exercised failed obese people run 800–1,200 deficits, which make even an experienced dieter uncomfortable.

Many people go from obese to normal weight without any GLPs using a sustainable deficit and gradually building an active lifestyle. Their lean mass also increases due to a better macro-distributed, balanced diet, lifting, and a higher activity level (good for boosting TDEE).

>But my BMI was like 39, and now it is ~25. My blood test results the last couple of years have been phenomenal

If you’d lost the weight without GLP-1s, your blood test results would still have been phenomenal. Most of the effect you are seeing is the result of lowered bodyfat% through calorie deficit.

now, in your case calorie deficit comes from GLP1 use but in others case it can come from sustainable dieting which is little more tricky execute properly than just injecting a drug.

Weight loss requires a calorie deficit, and the average person has no training or education for this. Why would you expect them to be good at something they've had no education or training in? 40% obesity rate is not surprising when no education/training exists for average person.

>Being a healthy weight takes (for some) perfect discipline every day, ignoring hunger, putting weight management before everything else in your life, etc.

Why does eating at maintenance calories require “ignoring hunger”?

If a guy is already 80 kg, at 10% BF, and their maintenance calories are 3,000 kcal, they can be perfectly happy and not in a state of hunger while eating 3,000 kcal.

I maintain 10% BF at an FFMI of 25; I am almost never hungry while eating at maintenance.

> But life is short, and cutting weight can fuck with people’s mental and physical health a lot before things get better, so for those who need it, 100% do whatever it takes to get to a healthy weight first and then figure it out from there.

Only if you are running massive deficits, which is what most newbies/crash dieters do. Emotional, knee-jerk-style dieting is not sustainable dieting.

>I mean, frankly, a person can just go watch a 20 min YouTube video and learn all they need about how to restrict calories to lose any amount of weight they like.

Feeling like you understand something and actually understanding it are two very different things.

Let's take something as simple as "calorie deficit."

Being at a calorie deficit itself requires knowing two things:

1. How much you burn in a day (total daily energy expenditure or TDEE)

2. How much your intake is for the day

Deficit = TDEE - Intake

You can do calorie counting for #2. But what can you do for #1?

The average guy does not know how to calculate these properly, let alone judge weight movement, which can move a lot in the opposite direction due to water weight fluctuations that can exceed 1 kg+ of movement a day.

If you calculate your maintenance calories using a TDEE calculator and get 3,000 kcal, then apply a 400 kcal deficit, your target intake becomes 2,600 kcal/day.

But what if your actual maintenance drops by 300 kcal the following week?

Your effective deficit is now just 100 kcal/day, assuming your intake stays the same.

Eventually you might find yourself barely losing weight, or not seeing any noticeable change for a while. You'll start wondering, "I'm eating in a deficit, so why am I not losing weight? Is there something genetically wrong with me?"

You might even blame your metabolism.

The problem is that your original calorie target was based on a static estimate of maintenance, not a continuously updated one. Your energy expenditure changes as your body weight, activity, and other factors change. A TDEE calculator can't account for those changes in real time.

The average guy does not understand expenditure, weight movement, the calorie-to-fat equation, water-weight fluctuations, and many other gotchas, and no, 20 minutes may not be enough to understand all this for an average Joe.

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>But it's hard. We know weight loss is hard because of how many people are obese. Most obese people have tried to lose weight many, many times and have failed

Weight loss requires a calorie deficit, and the average person has no training or education for this. Why would you expect them to be good at something they've had no education or training in? 40% obesity rate is not surprising when no education/training exists for average person.

>Evidently it is difficult, and no other perspective is reasonable.

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>You also can claim whatever you like. Do you have any proof? Reviews and testimonials are not reliable. I assume in general that all of them are fake, in spite your may be real or not.

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Unless you got DEXA or MRI those smart scales are not accurate.

Also, dieting without feeling hungry isn't new, people have been doing it but only those who truly understand how dieting works. Most people don't.

No, they don't. It's very difficult to have the SAME TDEE even in identical twins, eating the same food and having same activity level.

>This isn't true. Identical people on identical diets will lose the same weight, GLP1 or not.

No, this isn't true.

Even when two people are identical twins eating the same amount of food and doing the same amount of exercise and activities, weight loss will differ because:

Rate of loss of BodyWeight rate is directly proportional to amount of deficit applied!

Deficit = TDEE (total calorie burn of the day) - Intake

If TDEE is not the same, weight loss will differ, regardless of whether the underlying activity level, genetics, or amount of food or everything else is the same.

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>(That part is true.)

Improved insulin sensitivity is associated with lower excess body fat THE MOST and better skeletal muscle metabolic function. Greater lean mass may contribute.

Therefore, if a person on GLP-1 loses more lean mass than one without, they may not actually have better insulin sensitivity.

>Bruh, we're not doing this anymore. If weight loss was easy, we wouldn't have an adult obesity rate of 40%. Yes, yes, a handful of extraordinarily motivated individuals can successfully restrict calories to lose weight. But very clearly most people can't.

I do not agree with this. Those studies being used to push the idea that "diet and exercise failed obese people" are flawed, and I posted a comment on this post explaining all the flaws. You can choose to respond to them instead; I won't copy paste it here.

Weight loss requires a calorie deficit, and the average person has no training or education for this. Why would you expect them to be good at something they've had no education or training in? 40% obesity rate is not surprising when no education/training exists for average person.

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A deficit so small that most users won't even know that they are at deficit!

You know that if i remove 150kcal from your diet, your wouldn't notice? that's like 2 slices of bread. So the hunger suppression will never be a question for vast majority of fat people

150kcal deficit over a year = 7.1kg or 15.6 lbs lost! and 300kcal = 31.2lbs or 14.2kg!! all this without any injection or drug without any exercise or severe loss of lean masss

>You're conflating association and causality.

Same is true when you talk about positives of GLP-1s, most of the benefits actually come from "calorie restriction" and it's very hard to seperate which part comes from where.

People have been claiming similar effects for astrology, alchemy, and other things as well.

People just hold onto their beliefs. GLP-1 believers aren't going to forego their beliefs, even when a large body of evidence is supplied that GLP-1s aren't really necessary for the majority of people.

People believe what they want to believe; evidence has little to do with it.

They simply assign less weight to evidence that does not meet their "narrative or belief."

People have been achieving far greater rate of weight loss using crash dieting, it's nothing new.

You probably lost a major chunk of lean mass if GLP-1 is the only thing you used without much diet changes or exercise.

At the expense of weakened immunity, bone health, muscle wasting, and fertility issues!

Many people don't do their jobs properly. Why should scientists get the benefit of the doubt?

If something is true it will survive the scrutiny, requires no appeal to authority.

True, GLP-1 user will have higher loss of lean mass than one who is dieting on calorie deficit and exercise so they'll look more "shrunken raisin" than other.

>There is another plausible causal mechanism: weight gain flowing from hunger/metabolic dysregulation. This dysregulation being caused by some "factor X" which also causes other problems.

GLP-1s are being promoted to and used by the general public, who aren't even obese, because GLP boosters push the magical properties of GLP-1s.

Even most obese people do not actually need GLP-1s.

>But actually achieving significant weight loss with other therapies is incredibly hard, so I think GLP-1s get some credit here.

Citation needed! it's not actually difficult, all you need is calorie deficit and it has been routinely done by bodybuilders, athletes, MMA fighters and movie stars/models and thousands of ordinary members on r/caloriedeficit subreddit or other fitness subs!

> Hunger signalling isn't the only thing GLP-1s do, so no, we should not just assume every effect stems from weight loss alone

Ofc, they also result in an increased risk of gallbladder stones, bile issues, hair loss, and severe loss of lean mass, and we've got actual studies on this.

Exercise does not result in loss of lean mass unless done at a severe deficit. If someone has a low baseline of lean mass, exercise usually boosts it even when a person is in a deficit, but if they are in a surplus, the lean mass boost is more significant.

GLP-1s don't.

It's baffling that so many seemingly intelligent people on Hacker News fall into the GLP-1 booster bandwagon!

The studies being used to claim “dieting is not effective for weight loss” and for boosting GLPs are flawed and demonstrate corruption and intellectual dishonesty!

GLP-1s are tool like a screwdriver but you do not use one to brush your teeth!

They are being over prescribed and abused, resulting in hair loss, bile/gallbladder stone risks, severe loss of lean mass, etc. Studies are already out on this! So why cherry pick satudies only positives of GLP-1s?

Many boosters have suffered 1 or many of these and now want others to suffer as well to further GLP-1 research at expense of general public!

There is a strong GLP booster group. Most people do not need GLP-1s; all they need is a calorie deficit!

The market is filled with "Eat X for weight loss, eat Y for weight gain."

The average person actually does not choose the right strategy for weight loss, which is a "calorie deficit."

But implementing it is not "EASY" until you understand how expenditure, calorie intake, and weight movement work, which is too much work to understand for an average Joe.

But once you understand the "core idea" it becomes very EASY AND SIMPLE!

Let's take something as simple as "calorie deficit."

Being at a calorie deficit itself requires knowing two things:

1. How much you burn in a day (total daily energy expenditure or TDEE)

2. How much your intake is for the day

Deficit = TDEE - Intake

You can do calorie counting for #2. But what can you do for #1?

The average guy does not know how to calculate these properly, let alone judge weight movement, which can move a lot in the opposite direction due to water weight fluctuations that can exceed 1 kg+ of movement a day.

Even GLP-1 users on Triz subreddit agree with this! https://www.reddit.com/r/tirzepatidecompound/comments/1omfgx...

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